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For the people that object to cars it's because they oppose people having control over their own lives; going where they want to and when they want to.
c'mon, you really think those that don't like cars hate having control of their own life?
c'mon, you really think those that don't like cars hate having control of their own life?
You've participated, I think, in some of the self-driving car threads so I sometimes wonder. You'll have people who claim they're afraid to drive and will be deliriously happy when all the cars on the road are self-driving and they won't be afraid any more. So yes, I do think there is a subset of people who are like that.
I do know that there is a subset of people who want to control how many cars, as well as other things, a person owns. I run into them quite often when I'm wearing one of my other hats.
There are two reactions that come to mind for posts like these:
First is to ask, who are these people that you're talking about?
Second is to return the hyperbole by suggesting that the people who are against improving public transportation and walkability are opposed to people having control over their own lives; being forced to own a car, live as a second class citizen, or move to the 0.5% (made up number) of the country where a car still isn't necessary to live a normal life.
Who are we talking about? Speaking for myself, many of the posters on this forum. Those who are always advocating Uber/Lyft, etc as a remedy for car ownership, meaning people are always being dependent on someone else for their transportation. There are enough posts in this thread as examples. That is entirely different from supporting improved public transit and walkability, which I have supported over and OVER again. I've also said that people are unlikely to give up their personal transportation, no mater what CD's posters want them to do.
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You've participated, I think, in some of the self-driving car threads so I sometimes wonder. You'll have people who claim they're afraid to drive and will be deliriously happy when all the cars on the road are self-driving and they won't be afraid any more. So yes, I do think there is a subset of people who are like that.
How does that show they don't like have control over their lives? It shows they have a fear of driving.
I don't think I have much; I never had much interest in those threads. I don't remember that many posters particularly enthusiastic about them, but I could be wrong.
How does that show they don't like have control over their lives? It shows they have a fear of driving.
I don't think I have much; I never had much interest in those threads. I don't remember that many posters particularly enthusiastic about them, but I could be wrong.
They may have a fear of driving but they also wish to extend their control of others out to the imposition of technology on everyone.
They may have a fear of driving but they also wish to extend their control of others out to the imposition of technology on everyone.
Eh, just because someone doesn't pilot a car or pay the insane cost of a personal vehicle, it doesn't mean you don't have control over your life. I can go anyplace I want without asking or being restricted. If I have to wait for a train a bit, how is that any different than being stuck in traffic or dealing with a detour?
More people should be fearful of driving, given the danger. But that doesn't equate to not wanting to be in control of your own life.
Eh, just because someone doesn't pilot a car or pay the insane cost of a personal vehicle, it doesn't mean you don't have control over your life. I can go anyplace I want without asking or being restricted. If I have to wait for a train a bit, how is that any different than being stuck in traffic or dealing with a detour?
More people should be fearful of driving, given the danger. But that doesn't equate to not wanting to be in control of your own life.
No it doesn't. But that people like personal transportation is evident in car ownership. How long have I been saying that on this forum? Longer than I can remember. Cars caught on because people liked the idea of personal transportation that did not involve keeping a horse or horses and hitching them up to a carriage.
Who are we talking about? Speaking for myself, many of the posters on this forum. Those who are always advocating Uber/Lyft, etc as a remedy for car ownership, meaning people are always being dependent on someone else for their transportation. There are enough posts in this thread as examples. That is entirely different from supporting improved public transit and walkability, which I have supported over and OVER again. I've also said that people are unlikely to give up their personal transportation, no mater what CD's posters want them to do.
Advocating Uber/Lyft as an alternative to car ownership, is like advocating renting a Uhaul truck as an alternative to owning your own F-650. So, if you recommend that someone just rent from Uhaul, instead of owning their own commercial vehicle, for those occasions when you need a large vehicle, does that mean you want everyone who owns a commercial vehicle to give it up?
Eh, just because someone doesn't pilot a car or pay the insane cost of a personal vehicle, it doesn't mean you don't have control over your life.
Sure it does if the reason you don't or can't have one is due to restrictions imposed by others.
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I can go anyplace I want without asking or being restricted. If I have to wait for a train a bit, how is that any different than being stuck in traffic or dealing with a detour?
There are quite a few differences. You don't wait on a car - the car serves you. You leave when you want to. You have many additional options including much greater control over your immediate environment and the route taken. You don't have that when waiting for the train or riding the train. Cars offer access to a much wider variety of people. A train at best only serves those that have a way of getting to the station with no need to be anywhere other than as permitted by the train schedule and route and who have no need to transport anything other than themselves.
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More people should be fearful of driving, given the danger. But that doesn't equate to not wanting to be in control of your own life.
The complaint is that there is a contingent of people that don't want other people to be in control of those other people's own lives. This contingent appears to promote or even mandate dependency.
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Advocating Uber/Lyft as an alternative to car ownership, is like advocating renting a Uhaul truck as an alternative to owning your own F-650. So, if you recommend that someone just rent from Uhaul, instead of owning their own commercial vehicle, for those occasions when you need a large vehicle, does that mean you want everyone who owns a commercial vehicle to give it up?
That's an odd twist of logic. How often do you need a large truck? The last time we needed one was about 10 years ago, when we gave our daughter a couch that we drove to her apartment. And no, I don't have such an interest in what kind of vehicles, if any, that other people have. That's an issue here. We have a few posters who not only want to make Uber/Lyft their transportation, they don't want anyone else to have a car or a truck, either.
I have no problem with people who choose not to own an automobile. I'd just like to get it through their skulls that some people like having some personal transportation immediately available. Uber/Lyft is NOT a substitute for having your own car. Before cars, people had other means of personal transportation,e.g. horses and buggies, other pack animals. People have this stuff, and put up with the expense, because they want it, not because they've all been duped by the auto industry, which is another recurring theme on this board.
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