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Mass Transit: metro area, light rail, downtown, traffic, taxes.

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Old 07-17-2008, 03:13 AM
 
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Here's a look by Metropolitan area:

Minneapolis-St. Paul

  • $20,000,000 for the Central Corridor Light Rail Transit Project, which will be running between downtown St. Paul and downtown Minneapolis past the University of Minnesota
  • $71,166,060 for the Northstar Corridor Rail Project, a commuter rail line from St. Cloud to Minneapolis
Denver
  • $1,031,210 for futher improvements to the Southeast Light Rail Corridor (I believe to Lone Tree, Colorado)
  • $70,000,000 for the West Corridor Light Rail to Jefferson County, Colorado in the Denver suburbs
Phoenix
  • $91,800,000 for the finishing touches for the starter line for the Valley Metro; Phoenix is, along with the auto-based (and somewhat responsible for our situation) Detroit and sprawled out the wazoo Orlando, the only metro areas of over 2,000,000 people in the U.S. without a currently active rail system of some kind [though the TECO line Streetcar in Tampa barely, barely counts]
Washington, DC
  • $34,700,000 for the Largo Metrorail Extension (I'm not exactly sure what this is for, but I'm guessing capacity extensions; they are desperately needed, as the system is hitting capacity in places; July 11, 2008 beat out the record set by Ronald Reagan's laying in the rotunda [so ironic given how anti-sustainability the man was])
  • $30,000,000 for the Dulles Corridor Rail Project, VA (Silver Line); one of a very few major airports in the Northeast lacking a high-speed transit extension [Logan in Boston has the Silver Line, which is Bus Rapid Transit, and LaGuardia oddly has no rail link; I believe every other airport servicing the Northeast corridor does, except maybe one in Providence or Southern Connecticut]
  • $5,000,000 for VRE Rolling Stock (New Trains)
  • $2,000,000 for improvements to the highly congested Rosslyn Metro Station (where the orange and blue lines branch out on the East side; it's the next stop Virginia-wards from GWU's Foggy Bottom stop
  • $15,000,000 for MARC Commuter Rail Improvements and Rolling Stock (New Trains and really desperately needed capacity increases; demand is now exceeding capacity for rush hour)
Charlotte:
$18,000,000 for engineering the Northeast Extension to Charlotte's successful recently opened Blue Line in its significant planned rail system
Dallas
$87,974,716 for Dallas Area Rapid Transit Northwest/Southeast Light Rail MOS, building the Orange and Green line extensions to the Dallas light rail system, doubling its length and eventually servicing both Love Field and DFW International
Houston
$10,000,000 for further planning on its hopefully-to-happen 5 line light rail system
Honolulu
$20,000,000 for work on its "High-Capacity Transit Corridor Project". There is a huge fight over this going on in Hawai'i. A Paultard scumbag from Texas (ha, I was right, she literally is a Paultard; gave him $1,000) by the name of Jamie Story is heading an astroturf operation with a few misguided locals like Eric Ryan, who founded "Stop Rail Now", to stop what is an unbelievably sensible plan.

Honolulu

A) Has the 4th highest trips/person/year taken on transit of any urbanized area in the country, coming in behind only the extremely heavily rail infrastucture, developed Washington, DC; San Francisco/Oakland, and of course the New York City metro area; it beats out places like Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston,
B) Part of the reason is that Honolulu Has to ship in diesel/gasoline/any liquid fuels at significant expense to power itself and its cars and as such, has generally had the highest gasoline prices in the nation.
C) Due to the islands being very sunny and tropical, and of course, being volcanic, and having a lot of windy areas off the islands, the Hawaiian islands can probably power themselves solely with geothermal and solar and wind. But that does no good without an electrified transportation system.

New York
  • $197,370,000 to build the East Side Access to allow the Long Island Railroad to come into Grand Central Station, making commutes far easier for many Long Islanders
  • $1,103,860 for the highly successful (both in ridership and especially in redevelopment; anyone who'd been to the West Side of Hoboken 10 years ago but came back today will agree
  • $249,927,000 for the Second Avenue subway-studies began when my late grandfather was living there as a 2-year old in 1919. Construction began 36 years ago and was halted; it will reduce congestion and I believe put all of Manhattan Island within half a mile of a subway stop
  • $5,000,000 for studying a Stamford Urban Transitway, a proposed light rail system for Stamford
  • $75,000,000 for moving towards construction of a Midtown tunnel under the Hudson to relieve capacity strains on the Northeast Corridor and the PATH and also increase access
Hampton Roads
$57,055,734 to continue building the first link in its light rail system
Portland
  • $50,000,000 for the second streetcar loop for Portland
  • $81,600,000 for building the South Corridor Light Rail line (heading down from the Portland Mall)
Boston/Providence
  • $27,000,000 to increase speed and capacity on the Fitchburg Commuter Rail Line
  • $1,345,500 for planning for the South County Commuter Rail, Wickford Junction Station, RI from Boston to Providence
Chicago
  • $29,474,404 for rebuilding infrastructure and increasing capacity on the 100-year old Brown Line
  • $8,000,000 for continued studying to build a much-needed Circle Line to allow travel between lines without having to go through the Loop
  • $6,607,000 for continued studies to move forward on significant planned expansions of the METRA commuter rail service
Seattle
  • $28,846,735 to finish the initial Central Link for Seattle's planned light rail system (it ran into some problems after voters rejected financing the new plans last November, but most of the system will likely still be built, if more slowly)
  • $100,000,000 to start building the light rail link to the University of Washington [my dad got around Seattle as a grad student generally without a car, either by bike or by bus, but this'll make a car even less necessary, and students always use rail].
Sacramento
$7,000,000 to continue studying a new corridor (hopefully for rail) south of Sacramento
Miami
$20,000,000 for expansions of the Orange Line of the Miami-Dade metrorail
San Diego
$21,650,000 for building the mid-city rapid extension to the San Diego Trolley
San Francisco
$8,000,000 for continuing to move forward on the Third Street Light Rail/Subway Project
Los Angeles
  • $50,000,000 for building the Perris Valley Extension to Metrolink
  • $74,600,000 for building the East Extension to the Gold Line
Salt Lake City
  • $10,000,000 for engineering/studying the Mid Jordan light rail extension
  • $81,600,000 for final finishes to the first part of the Commuter Rail System
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Old 07-17-2008, 03:25 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It just amazes me how LA constantly gets screwed when that city needs money for public transit than most. Build the SUBWAY TO THE SEA already! it's about 10-20 years overdue. Wilshire Blvd needs a subway more so than any other corridor in this country except for the 2nd Ave subway in NYC. How the hell do Seattle and SLC get more money than LA? LA has the worst congestion and is in dire need of a better and more comprehensive transit system yet gets SCREWED by the federal govt every year. The 3rd st/"subway" project in SF is such a huge waste of money; a billion+ dollars to extend a freakin under performing light rail line so people don't have to walk a few more blocks to get to Chinatown!
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Old 07-17-2008, 07:10 AM
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Why do they need to 'study' the idea of building the Circle line. Just build the damn thing, how much time and money to we need to waste 'studying it'.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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It just amazes me how LA constantly gets screwed when that city needs money for public transit than most. Build the SUBWAY TO THE SEA already! it's about 10-20 years overdue. Wilshire Blvd needs a subway more so than any other corridor in this country except for the 2nd Ave subway in NYC. How the hell do Seattle and SLC get more money than LA? LA has the worst congestion and is in dire need of a better and more comprehensive transit system yet gets SCREWED by the federal govt every year. The 3rd st/"subway" project in SF is such a huge waste of money; a billion+ dollars to extend a freakin under performing light rail line so people don't have to walk a few more blocks to get to Chinatown!
Because of the topography and established density of Seattle, it is extremely expensive to build light rail infrastructure here. As you can see, Seattle got the most money out of any city not named NYC or Portland, for pretty much just one light rail line.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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Because of the topography and established density of Seattle, it is extremely expensive to build light rail infrastructure here. As you can see, Seattle got the most money out of any city not named NYC or Portland, for pretty much just one light rail line.
It's topography isn't any more daunting than SF's and it's density is lower. It's a helluva lot more expensive to build HEAVY RAIL completely underground than any light rail, like the extension of the subway in LA. LA is a much more important city than Seattle and has much worse mobility issues, it not only deserves more money but NEEDS it more so than most places. SLC or Seatte aren't being choked to death from congestion like LA. It's all political anyways, if you got a powerful politician in a powerful position to allocate money then you're good, LA apparently does not.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Tampa Bay
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If everyone relies on public transit what exactly are people going to do if they need to get out quickly for any number of different reasons? You think hundreds of thousands of people would fit on the planes at the airport, or the trains or buses? If you want to conserve gas, don't drive as much, until we can find a way through this mess. Don't get jumpy to rely on an awol government to solve our problems. Keep looking for alternatives and don't let big brother dictate our future anymore. Remember all that propaganda about seeing he beautiful national parks back in the day? QUIT giving up common sense for conveniences.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:56 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If everyone relies on public transit what exactly are people going to do if they need to get out quickly for any number of different reasons? You think hundreds of thousands of people would fit on the planes at the airport, or the trains or buses? If you want to conserve gas, don't drive as much, until we can find a way through this mess. Don't get jumpy to rely on an awol government to solve our problems.
are you serious? Is there anywhere in the world where everyone takes public transit? It's about OPTIONS and ALTERNATIVES to just having to drive. Not everyone can take transit just not like everyone can drive. Why would you want to rely on just one mode of transportation. People can have cars for when they need and take public transit as well for many of their needs. This isn't only about saving gas either, it's also about not having to be stuck in traffic too and just be able to not have to drive b/c not everyone likes or wants to drive.
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:02 PM
 
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I know that. I'm just saying don't give up individual driving for reliance on the state or feds. That just gives them more control to appropriate taxes at their leisure, and slow the nation to a halt. Its another "good intention" proposal. Create a problem, then propose a solution to herd people towards certain globalist strategies. Oldest trick in the book and most of this stuff is part of a massive psychological attack on the United States. I'm not particularly concerned how Europe or anybody else does it either.
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Why do they need to 'study' the idea of building the Circle line. Just build the damn thing, how much time and money to we need to waste 'studying it'.
For real. What exactly are they studying? The structural intregrity of what they'll be build around and under I can only hope. The official proposal on the CTA site is 6 years old. Anyone who has ever ridden the L outside the loop know how very necessary the Circle Line is. If anything the proposed Circle Line is too close to the Loop. Though I'd be will to do a lot a Chicago/Ashland L stop and an Ashland Metra station in particular.
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:07 PM
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I know that. I'm just saying don't give up individual driving for reliance on the state or feds. That just gives them more control to appropriate taxes at their leisure, and slow the nation to a halt. Its another "good intention" proposal. Create a problem, then propose a solution to herd people towards certain globalist strategies. Oldest trick in the book and most of this stuff is part of a massive psychological attack on the United States. I'm not particularly concerned how Europe or anybody else does it either.
I don't see how not owning a car or individually driving on a daily basis does either. I've not owned a car for years, and rely on public transportation as my main means of transportation. guess what, when I want a car, I rent one.

If I imagine some sort of apocalyptic scenario in which I needed to evacuate the city, I live so close to the downtown area, and the city is so sprawling, I don't imagine a car would do me much good as the gridlock would be crippling. However, I've decided years ago not to order my life around apocalyptic scenarios.
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