Smoking in Va Restaurants after Dec. 1st 2009 (DMV, bill)

[Moe III]

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Originally Posted by Coconut1

OMG! I can't believe I just read that! I don't know whether it's sad or funny but if you truly believe that you're either in denial or have been living under a rock the past 25 years.

Get off the headlines and dig deeper. Second hand smoke is not dangerous to a healthy non smokers. Here is one of the latest and most extensive reports by one of our most credible research facilitys in The U.S.

Effect of tobacco smoking on survival of men and women by social position: a 28 year cohort study -- Gruer et al. 338: b480 -- BMJ

Where have you been?

Not that it matters. Just stay out of smoking restaurants. There are so few of them, why is that so hard.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by Coconut1

It doesn't matter. If an establishment is open to the public there are certain health and safety standards that must be met.

Would you prefer that the restaurants also not have health inspections because they're privately owned/operated?

This is a matter of public health and the majority of states agree which is why they have smoking bans.

Like I said, if you don't like it, take it up with the restaurant owners. They have a choice on whether or not to offer smoking.

No one knows if their being served food prepared in filthy conditions. They do know if a restaurant allows smoking. This makes it an issue of free choice not health.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by richmondpics

Study: 'Electronic cigarettes' don't deliver - CNN.com

I really hope they can make something like this effective some day so you guys can get your nicotine fix without puffing smoke onto everyone else. It would be such a less disgusting habit.

That's awful. Some people are just rude. No one should blow smoke at you.
Not all smokers are rude. Those that are would probably still be rude even if they never smoked. They just find another way. By the way, I've meet a few rude non smokers.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by Moe III

During this ban smokers may elect to go out less. This very well may reduce the total number of restaurants so there may be no real net gain for the non smoker anyway. The owner of Banditos Burrito is reporting $1000.00 loss per day, so this is a very real possibility.

I said this on January 2nd, 2010.
On January 6th the Richmond Times Dispatch published "hard times for restaurants"

Hard times force some area restaurants out of business | Richmond Times-Dispatch (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/business/local/article/REST06_20100105-221409/315598/#comments - broken link)

This includes 30 Richmond area restaurants that have gone out of business. None, no not even one of them offered smoking.

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[richmondpics]

What? Who said anything about rude? It's a gross habit. I guess a smoker continues to smoke because of the nicotine addiction and the physical habits surrounding the act of smoking. If there was a way to get you guys your fix and allow you to still act out the action of lift cigarette to mouth-inhale-exhale-pull cigarette away, without having the gross side effect of the smoke, then we'd all be happy.

[richmondpics]

Originally Posted by Moe III

I said this on January 2nd, 2010.
On January 6th the Richmond Times Dispatch published "hard times for restaurants"

Hard times force some area restaurants out of business | Richmond Times-Dispatch (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/business/local/article/REST06_20100105-221409/315598/#comments - broken link)

This includes 30 Richmond area restaurants that have gone out of business. None, no not even one of them offered smoking.

Restaurant owens check out Restaurant Owners
Find smoking restaurants: Home

Are you trying to suggest a correlation here between allowing smoking and going out of business (before the smoking restrictions were put in place)? Easy Street and The Border were smoke free? Restaurants go out of business for a wide array of reasons.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by richmondpics

What? Who said anything about rude? It's a gross habit. I guess a smoker continues to smoke because of the nicotine addiction and the physical habits surrounding the act of smoking. If there was a way to get you guys your fix and allow you to still act out the action of lift cigarette to mouth-inhale-exhale-pull cigarette away, without having the gross side effect of the smoke, then we'd all be happy.

Sorry, just seemed rude to me.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by richmondpics

Are you trying to suggest a correlation here between allowing smoking and going out of business (before the smoking restrictions were put in place)? Easy Street and The Border were smoke free? Restaurants go out of business for a wide array of reasons.

Yes they do go out of business for many reasons. It just seems that the smoking restaurants have a relatively higher demand vs. supply and are likely a little more insulated from failure as a result.

[Moe III]

Originally Posted by betamanlet
Given nobody has even been proven to have died from second hand smoke

Originally Posted by Coconut1

OMG! I can't believe I just read that! I don't know whether it's sad or funny but if you truly believe that you're either in denial or have been living under a rock the past 25 years.

You can OMG all you want, the fact is that betamanlet is correct.
There is not even any proof to show a danger much less an actual death.

Explain why Relative risks below 3.0 are significant only for enviromental smoke studies, but not significant for all other epidemiological studies.

[richmondpics]

Secondhand Smoke - Philip Morris USA