Oxon Hill - Great Potential (Baltimore, Fort Washington: tech jobs, movie theaters, casinos)

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by G1..

Ok , listen Little Mary Sunshine who always wants to fight about PG county find in my post that I said there was no crime at alland but prove to me that Casino's don't bring additional crime and problems and I will apologize but until then you need to back off your little internet bully pulpit .

Whoa. What's with the name-calling? lol And I get called immature.

I was merely making the argument that if there is current crime in an area, adding a casino won't substantially increase crime where it already exists. There was already crime in Baltimore. There's already crime in Hanover, and we all know there is crime in Oxon Hill. Someone can get jacked coming from Tanger Outlets. Criminals don't need the presence of a casino if they want to rob someone. There are thousands of people who attend Ravens games, Orioles games, and concerts. Plenty of opportunity to rob someone at those venues which existed well before the casino. That was my point.

That fact that there are more people in one area introduces crime to that area. There could be no crime at Arundel Mills if there was no Arundel Mills. There could be no crime at National Harbor if there was no National Harbor. Criminals go where people are, not necessarily because there's a casino around. If anything, a person is likely to have more money on them at a mall or a professional ball game than a casino. People are usually broke when leaving a casino anyway.

Besides calling me names, how about enlightening all of us on some crime stats for Maryland Live! and Horseshoe. Prove me wrong. And I'm not talking about your usual pickpockets and car break-ins. That stuff happens at malls, movie theaters, ball games, etc. I'm talking about crime that would impact the casino by making people feel unsafe in and around the casino.

[G1..]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Whoa. What's with the name-calling? lol And I get called immature. :

When it is at every poster and every thread , yeah it is immature .

[Mr Beco]

Originally Posted by G1..

It's not the Casino , it is the crime that comes with it .


Woman robbed after winning nearly $1K at casino; 2 arrested | Maryland News - WBAL Home

Big deal....show me stats, give me links...

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Barry Rock

Big deal....show me stats, give me links...

Ask and ye shall receive:

Studies: Casinos bring jobs, but also crime, bankruptcy, and even suicide - The Washington Post

http://www.americangaming.org/sites/...rime_study.pdf

http://zimmer.fresnostate.edu/~haral...ingonCrime.pdf

What you'll find it that the answer is: It depends. In some areas crime went up, others it went down a bit while in others there was not much change in either direction.

What grinds my gears the most about the gambling question is that someone always, always, talks about all the money it's sending to schools. That's true but you have to go deeper.

While gambling taxes are sent to school systems it's not "new" money but "in place of" money. If a school system's budget was $XXX prior to gambling it's still $XXX after gambling. Gambling didn't increase revenues to the school system, it just allowed County governments to redirect some money from that to elsewhere.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by G1..

When it is at every poster and every thread , yeah it is immature .

No. You're incorrect. Don't confuse a challenge to your post as me being immature. If you can't handle a challenge to something you post, why post? I have no problem with facts. Never have. But I don't think it is immature to challenge reasoning that isn't based on facts. And I asked you to provide me with some facts. And this is your response. You can't expect to to post here and then have everyone agree with you and if they don't, then they are immature. At least I can have a discussion without name-calling. people resort to name-calling when they don't have a credible response.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Ask and ye shall receive:

Studies: Casinos bring jobs, but also crime, bankruptcy, and even suicide - The Washington Post

http://www.americangaming.org/sites/...rime_study.pdf

http://zimmer.fresnostate.edu/~haral...ingonCrime.pdf

What you'll find it that the answer is: It depends. In some areas crime went up, others it went down a bit while in others there was not much change in either direction.

Thanks NBP. Already ready to teach. Appreciate it.

8 percent of crime in counties with casinos was attributable to their presence, a crime increase that cost residents, on average, $65 a year.

That's not much.

I tried to read the UMD study, but the ink was too sketchy. Reading the abstract of the Fresno State study, I found that it fits my reasoning that location matters in terms of casinos and crime. Of course if you put a casino hall in an inner city in moderate to low income neighborhoods, you'll attract an certain element. But you can't tell me that if you put a casino in Bethesda, that a casino would increase crime above a noticeable amount. For arguments sake, let's say above 4%.

Would we rather have no increase in crime? Yes, but some people would have you think that a casino drastically increases crime in an area. I just don't think that's the case. Like I said and like the report said, crime depends on the variables already present in the community. Why aren't we hearing news on a daily basis coming out of Hanover about a crime wave brought on by the casino? Why aren't we hearing about Baltimore not being able to contain the tenfold increase in crime around the casino there? What about the crime at Rosecroft Raceway? Are people getting mugged at Dover Downs? The expected crime by some people who are against casinos is just not there.

[Mr Beco]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Ask and ye shall receive:

Studies: Casinos bring jobs, but also crime, bankruptcy, and even suicide - The Washington Post

http://www.americangaming.org/sites/...rime_study.pdf

http://zimmer.fresnostate.edu/~haral...ingonCrime.pdf

What you'll find it that the answer is: It depends. In some areas crime went up, others it went down a bit while in others there was not much change in either direction.

What grinds my gears the most about the gambling question is that someone always, always, talks about all the money it's sending to schools. That's true but you have to go deeper.

While gambling taxes are sent to school systems it's not "new" money but "in place of" money. If a school system's budget was $XXX prior to gambling it's still $XXX after gambling. Gambling didn't increase revenues to the school system, it just allowed County governments to redirect some money from that to elsewhere.

I think Casinos are the least creative way to try and stimulate jobs, growth and revenue. Is this why we elect our leaders? That’s the best they can do? Biotech was homegrown in Maryland, but that evolved 25 years ago, what else ya got?

Also, its so much money, I find it hard to believe that it will remain in Education, you just know someone will stick their hands in this thing and add it somewhere else....which is fine by me, but thats how they won it in Maryland.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Barry Rock

I think Casinos are the least creative way to try and stimulate jobs, growth and revenue. Is this why we elect our leaders? That’s the best they can do? Biotech was homegrown in Maryland, but that evolved 25 years ago, what else ya got?

Also, its so much money, I find it hard to believe that it will remain in Education, you just know someone will stick their hands in this thing and add it somewhere else....

I assume that's rhetorical?


On a scale of 1-10 with 1 being lowest and 10 being highest, gambling (the industry hates that term, by the way. They prefer "gaming".) ranks, on my scale about a 2. It does beat tourism at 1.

[Mr Beco]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

I assume that's rhetorical?


On a scale of 1-10 with 1 being lowest and 10 being highest, gambling (the industry hates that term, by the way. They prefer "gaming".) ranks, on my scale about a 2. It does beat tourism at 1.

I guess its better than Pot.....but not by much.

That said, you just know recreational majijuana is coming as a revenue source, just not with Hogan.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by Barry Rock

I think Casinos are the least creative way to try and stimulate jobs, growth and revenue. Is this why we elect our leaders? That’s the best they can do? Biotech was homegrown in Maryland, but that evolved 25 years ago, what else ya got?

Also, its so much money, I find it hard to believe that it will remain in Education, you just know someone will stick their hands in this thing and add it somewhere else....which is fine by me, but thats how they won it in Maryland.

Question for you. How is this any different from a fortune 500 company locating here providing the same amount of revenue. Do you think the state will all of a sudden "do the right thing" with that money? people have been complaining about fiscal policy in this state BEFORE casinos got here.

How is a casino somehow different from any other revenue generating entity? By the way, MGM is a fortune 500 company (no. 287). What is the state doing with the revenues from FedEx field and M&T Bank Field? What is the state doing with the revenue from Discovery Communications, Human Genome Sciences, or Marriott? What's the difference between each company in terms of revenues going to the state?

The only difference I see is that the casinos are wayyyyyy overtaxed compared to the rest of the businesses in the state. They are one of the few businesses willing to stay in Maryland despite being taxed so heavily. But we pine after Bechtel and Marriott who want to leave. I welcome MGM with open arms.