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Old 08-31-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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It's also interesting to see how 16th Street existed as a de facto racial boundary for nearly 40 years (wish I knew how to paste maps or better yet do the timelapse GIFs). There are, of course, exceptions (i.e, Brookland) but I'm not going to list them all right now. In 1990, Census Tract 43 (U ST between 16th and 14th) was only 29% White. By 2000, it was 41% White. In 2013, it was 59.5% White. What's more is that the neighboring tract to its immediate east (14th to Sherman) is now 65% White compared to 28% in 2000. In the early to maybe mid 2000s, 14th Street seemed to be the boundary.

If I had to choose a boundary today, it would probably be North Capitol, and that looks very flimsy at the moment.
North Capital would not take into account the changes in Brookland, NoMA, Eckington, etc. So that boundary is basically broken through already. White people are perfectly willing to look for housing east of north capital.
The boundry is the river itself, because very few will cross that. A street is one thing, people are willing to cross that, a river is another. The fact it's geographically more separated from the rest of the city makes it a real boundary. But there is the other problem of the significant highways, which is a boundary people do not talk about. This creates two physical boundaries for that part of the city. While the highway revolt prevented highways running through NE and NW DC, East of the river the revolt never happened. The highways were built. As such this increases the unlikelihood that the area will see significant gentrification outside of a select few pockets. Or it will come much later, after the rest of the city gentrifies. DC west of the river will likely see gentrification work it's way through the rest of the city in the next decade, east of the river, most of it will likely still be untouched.

As much as residents east of the river complain about gentrification, it's not happening there, at least not right now.

Again, there are pockets east of the river such as Minnesota ave or Anacostia, that may be exceptions, but they may end up being exceptions that prove the rule.

The line is not North Capital, it's the river.
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Old 09-01-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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North Capital would not take into account the changes in Brookland, NoMA, Eckington, etc. So that boundary is basically broken through already. White people are perfectly willing to look for housing east of north capital.
The boundry is the river itself, because very few will cross that. A street is one thing, people are willing to cross that, a river is another. The fact it's geographically more separated from the rest of the city makes it a real boundary. But there is the other problem of the significant highways, which is a boundary people do not talk about. This creates two physical boundaries for that part of the city. While the highway revolt prevented highways running through NE and NW DC, East of the river the revolt never happened. The highways were built. As such this increases the unlikelihood that the area will see significant gentrification outside of a select few pockets. Or it will come much later, after the rest of the city gentrifies. DC west of the river will likely see gentrification work it's way through the rest of the city in the next decade, east of the river, most of it will likely still be untouched.

As much as residents east of the river complain about gentrification, it's not happening there, at least not right now.

Again, there are pockets east of the river such as Minnesota ave or Anacostia, that may be exceptions, but they may end up being exceptions that prove the rule.

The line is not North Capital, it's the river.

DC Remains a Lucrative Market For Home Flipping

You may want to fact check that. The 20019 zip code in ward 7 across the river in D.C. is the fifth most profitable zip code in the nation right now for housing flips.

Houses are moving across the river in droves.
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Old 09-01-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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DC Remains a Lucrative Market For Home Flipping

You may want to fact check that. The 20019 zip code in ward 7 across the river in D.C. is the fifth most profitable zip code in the nation right now for housing flips.

Houses are moving across the river in droves.
This is for flipping, not living in. Flipping does not indicate gentrification, people actually moving and living in the area is, along with a diversification of demographics and an increase in median income.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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The timeline is probably earlier.

I remember when Logan Circle was a tiny enclave back in the 70s- basically just the circle. Either those Yuppies had established a foothold or had never left.

I don't think Capitol Hill ever flipped, but it became very trendy in the early 1980s.

Adams Morgan was already gentrifying in the early 80s as well, albeit at a slow pace.

Also Georgetown of the 70s still had a slightly ramshackle element.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:33 AM
 
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Who the heck wants to talk about ugly gentrification like it's something so good? foh
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Who the heck wants to talk about ugly gentrification like it's something so good? foh
Gentrification is a great thing.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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Who the heck wants to talk about ugly gentrification like it's something so good? foh
It looks worlds better than a run down slum and burned down buildings that much of DC was prior. In fact it is beautiful, shiny, modern, rehabilitated, etc. Gentrification is quite literally the best outcome for DC, the more in gentrifies the better.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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It looks worlds better than a run down slum and burned down buildings that much of DC was prior. In fact it is beautiful, shiny, modern, rehabilitated, etc. Gentrification is quite literally the best outcome for DC, the more in gentrifies the better.
Exactly.

And gentrification will continue in DC indefinitely. Both congress and the residents want the Captial of the United States to actually look and feel like the Capital of a major world superpower. The high crime, run down DC of the past is in the process of being completely eradicated forever.

I have to seriously question the values of anyone who is against making DC a better place.
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:57 AM
 
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This is for flipping, not living in. Flipping does not indicate gentrification, people actually moving and living in the area is, along with a diversification of demographics and an increase in median income.
The definition of gentrification is the process of higher earning individuals moving into an area driving up the housing costs. The flipping of houses does drive the housing costs up. Those that can afford to buy the flipped houses have a much higher income than those living in the neighborhood. Homes that used to be worth $150,000 are now selling for between $300,000-$400,000. These homes will only get more expensive with every flip in the neighborhood. That's the definition of gentrification driven by development forces.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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Exactly.

I have to seriously question the values of anyone who is against making DC a better place.
It's not about values. It's about how our brains are wired. You are stuck with the "trashy" element mentality. There is an element which has to do with cultural preservation on an emotional level that you have a blind spot in. You literally can't see it. No one can argue with you at this point and it's not entirely your fault. It's just the way your brain is wired. It's not necessarily a bad thing but however, you place limits because you don't extend beyond the structural components. You only see numbers and don't identify the human and emotional elements. You are detached from it.

You and District Sonic are alike. District S even acknowledged that she was a classist. You are the folks that we bring in to tell us exactly what is happening and give us the numbers without any emotional attachment. We need people like you. I don't pay you to get emotional. I pay you to give me the straight numbers and facts then go away. Just tell us the truth no matter if feelings get hurt and let's get down to business. No feelings, just business. See, I understand you but many people don't. I write your checks. Your brain is wired to read like a flow chart- up and down. You don't see behind or in and around.

The problem is, the emotional and human factors greatly out number the figures on that flow chart.

Just like donald trump says- he knows many horrible people that you don't even want to have dinner with. But they are the best in business.
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