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Old 03-06-2011, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I suppose there are definitions to be adhered to, but a place with its 5 coolest months as cool as here, just doesn't seem subtropical to me.
17/6, 13/3, 12/2, 13/3, 16/4 (C) for a winter doesn't seem unreasonable for a subtropical climate as opposed to a tropical one, but rather typical. Say, for the American Deep South.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:36 PM
 
Location: motueka nz
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17/6, 13/3, 12/2, 13/3, 16/4 (C) for a winter doesn't seem unreasonable for a subtropical climate as opposed to a tropical one, but rather typical. Say, for the American Deep South.
Those temps seem very low for subtropical winters. I would have thought NZs warmest winter of 8-16C would be of the bottom end of a subtropical winter scale Somewhere like Brisbane (9-20C) would be a typical subtropical winter to me. Those temps for Rome would make our winters here sub tropical.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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When I was in Rome, then driving around Italy for 2 weeks in late October, I was amazed at how warm it was! The day we went to Florence, it was warm/humid surprised me for late October. We were staying at a B & B in the hills of Umbria so mornings were cool but warmed up every day.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Those temps seem very low for subtropical winters. I would have thought NZs warmest winter of 8-16C would be of the bottom end of a subtropical winter scale Somewhere like Brisbane (9-20C) would be a typical subtropical winter to me. Those temps for Rome would make our winters here sub tropical.
Brisbane is actually close to being tropical. If it were just a couple of degrees Celsius warmer in winter, it would be fully tropical. Gladstone is tropical.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:53 AM
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An average of 7°C or more in the coldest month sounds subtropical; assuming that means daily highs or 13°C or more.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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An average of 7°C or more in the coldest month sounds subtropical; assuming that means daily highs or 13°C or more.
Cool. I live in the subtropics now.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:03 AM
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Cool. I live in the subtropics now.
Well, if the summers are hot.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:18 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Cool. I live in the subtropics now.
Nope. Summers too cool. Average monthly temps have to be at least 22C. That's probably close to your average monthly high.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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The whole classification doesn't make sense to me. I've seen NYC listed as subtropical before, which is even more absurd than here trying to call itself subtropical. A system based on seasons or yearly halves seems better sense to me.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:07 AM
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Yea, Cfa should be divided into warm temperate and subtropical, with maybe a 5C (or maybe slightly higher) average for the coldest month being the dividing line between the two. Ideally, I'd like the line to be close to where evergreen plants become common and the vegetation becomes distinctly southern.

With this method Atlanta would subtropical and so would all the gulf states and the coastal Carolinas. The mid-Atlantic and upper south (Virginia, inland North Carolina and Tennessee) would be warm temperate. This would mean all of Australia that is Cfa would be subtropical rather than warm temperate, which seems reasonable to me.
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