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It takes me two weeks to get used to the missing hour but when we're in it I much prefer the lighter evenings. Sunrise is still early enough for me given our long day lengths in summer.
I think they need to be shifted from UTC -8 to UTC -9, which is the time zone they should be in in the first place. Those sunrise and sunset times are really off-center. They should be centered around noon, and Harbin's offset is about as bad as most cities under DST, only it's shifting the sunsets earlier instead of later. Although if I had a choice between the two, I'd choose earlier-shifting, I strongly prefer no shifting of daylight.
Blech. I seem to be just the opposite. If I could ever find a place that had 12-hour days in the middle of summer and 5-hour days in the middle of winter, and was dark at 17:00 for most of the year, I'd be happy. I know that's physically impossible for one location, but I think it should be pointed out. The day length at the equinoxes is about as long as I'd ever want daylight to last.
Harbin, China is 126°38' E 45°45' N (according to Wikipedia) which means its local solar timezone is about UTC+08:26:32. so it's more closer to UTC+8 than UTC+9. Also, Harbin is quite hot in the summer, (average Jul highest is about 28°C) with max sun angle of about 90° + 23.44° - 45.75° or 67.69° in midsummer, so late sunsets are just exhausting, just like in Jakarta or Surabaya (latest 18.17 and 17.55 respectively).
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Intriguing. If you don't like darkness during your waking hours and find short days depressing, naturally you should seek to avoid those conditions. Of course, if you don't like darkness, day length is much more important than whether it's shifted an hour, so I'd imagine you would be attracted to a place with long hours of daylight, as long as it isn't too cold for you. It's sort of ironic that the longest summer days and the coldest summer temperatures occur in the same region.
As for myself, 8 AM sunrise to 4 PM sunset sounds about right, at least for winter. If I had Q powers (or even divine powers) and could alter the laws of physics, I'd have summer feature a 6 AM sunrise to 6 PM sunset.
Come to think of it, that might make an interesting topic: "What would you do to climate and sunlight if you had divine powers?" It might bring out old grudges against heat or cold lovers, but if we just try to have fun it shouldn't be a problem...
The same region? It's because longer summer days ---> higher latitude ---> lower sun angle at summer
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I always thought Brisbane should have their standard time adjusted to GMT+10:30, rather than GMT+10.
Astronomical twilight begins at bloody 3:20am today, and sunrise is at 4:48am. That is silly.
Hey, GMT+10:30 makes the sunset 30 minutes later, and in hot climates, it means more waste of A/C, right?
The same region? It's because longer summer days ---> higher latitude ---> lower sun angle at summer
Hey, GMT+10:30 makes the sunset 30 minutes later, and in hot climates, it means more waste of A/C, right?
Sunsets are ridiculously early here. The other side of the argument is our early sunsets prevent people from getting outside at night. Obesity is a big (literally) problem here in QLD and later sunsets would encourage people to get involved in outdoor activities such as walking etc.
Most people in SE QLD want DST. It appears the rural and less populated sectors have a disproportionate say in things.
Sunsets are ridiculously early here. The other side of the argument is our early sunsets prevent people from getting outside at night. Obesity is a big (literally) problem here in QLD and later sunsets would encourage people to get involved in outdoor activities such as walking etc.
Most people in SE QLD want DST. It appears the rural and less populated sectors have a disproportionate say in things.
People are not obese in some of the other regions with early sunsets though. Think Indonesia.
I prefer "DST" in the hot tropics and subtropics which means adjusting solar noon times to 11:00-12:00 range, to make the sunset a bit earlier in the "summer" day, means it can be backwards DST
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