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View Poll Results: What date in 2015 will Central Park first hit or exceed 90F?
June 14-20, 2015 4 17.39%
June 21-27, 2015 8 34.78%
June 28 - July 4, 2015 7 30.43%
July 5 - Jully 11, 2015 1 4.35%
After July 11, 2015 1 4.35%
Not this summer at all 2 8.70%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-13-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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I have attached a poll to the thread to pick the first 90+ day for Central Park, New York City ("KNYC"). The thread topic is about the subject of those days in general.

Central Park is an artificial park, designed in large part by Frederick Law Olmstead, and created in the 1850's or 1860's. Previously, it was a collection of slums, sewer drainage and farms. Temperature measurement was relocated there in toto in the late 1950's, after sharing the role with Battery Park. While certainly not barren by the late 1950's the park was relatively open ground. Thus it was an urban or semi-urban setting. The thermometer is located in Belvedere Castle, at the regulated height for such devices.

Fast forward to the turn of the millennium. The Belvedere Castle area is relatively dense woods. Even during relatively cool summers such as 1969 KNYC had little trouble reaching 90 degrees. I have looked at newspaper weather maps from that year and, for example, July 4 was a 90 degree day. The same map setup nowadays would be 2-4 degrees cooler. So even that relative washout of a summer topped 90 about 14 or 15 days, or close to the moving average of 17 such days.

Last summer was admittedly a cool summer. KNYC didn't touch 90 until July 2, and there were, maybe, 7 or 8 such days through the entire summer. In fact, KNYC's average high (measured as a 30 year average) used to be about 85 for the warmest period, about July 10 to August 10. This has been lowered to 84. Until recent 30 year average recalculations the central part of that period, around July 18-22, had a calculated average high of 86. No more.

While I am a global warming skeptic I doubt that we're cooling. I suspect the reason is the forestation of Central Park and of many areas which are not directly urban (thus the increase in deer, bear and coyotes in the area, but I digress).

So that leaves the poll. When do we first hit 90 this summer? We were supposed to on June 11, but we topped out at 89, and then 88 of June 12. I'll "vote" as soon as at least one other votes.
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Old 06-13-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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Last summer was admittedly a cool summer. KNYC didn't touch 90 until July 2, and there were, maybe, 7 or 8 such days through the entire summer..
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They hit 90+ only 6 times last year. One of the fewest in record since late 1800s.

Average date of 1st 90° is July 9th

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Old 06-13-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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They hit 90+ only 6 times last year. One of the fewest in record since late 1800s.

Average date of 1st 90° is July 9th
Thanks for the map. But as to KNYC the date can't be July 9 for the average since June has on average 3 per year. 2004 had two 90+ days, one 90 and one 91. 1996 had a total of four. I think 1982, 2000, 2006 and 2007 had very low numbers as well. They both seemed warmer for different reasons. 2006 had a 98 or 99 degree day amid one noteworthy heat wave. 2007 had 90 degree heat in May, and lots of upper 80's from late August to mid-October, a late-heat phenomena common to developing La Niñas, such 1953 (unclear if that was developing Niña due to recent re-set of criteria), 1970, 1973, 2005 (developing cold-neutral), 2007, and 2010.
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Old 06-13-2015, 06:54 PM
 
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Thanks for the map. But as to KNYC the date can't be July 9 for the average since June has on average 3 per year. 2004 had two 90+ days, one 90 and one 91. 1996 had a total of four. I think 1982, 2000, 2006 and 2007 had very low numbers as well. They both seemed warmer for different reasons. 2006 had a 98 or 99 degree day amid one noteworthy heat wave. 2007 had 90 degree heat in May, and lots of upper 80's from late August to mid-October, a late-heat phenomena common to developing La Niñas, such 1953 (unclear if that was developing Niña due to recent re-set of criteria), 1970, 1973, 2005 (developing cold-neutral), 2007, and 2010.
I think he meant to right June 9th
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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Whoops.. May 28th is 1st 90 for them. Sorry.

Also.. Last year was the 4th longest they had to wait to hit it.. That was impressive.
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:03 PM
 
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Thanks for the map. But as to KNYC the date can't be July 9 for the average since June has on average 3 per year. 2004 had two 90+ days, one 90 and one 91. 1996 had a total of four. I think 1982, 2000, 2006 and 2007 had very low numbers as well. They both seemed warmer for different reasons. 2006 had a 98 or 99 degree day amid one noteworthy heat wave. 2007 had 90 degree heat in May, and lots of upper 80's from late August to mid-October, a late-heat phenomena common to developing La Niñas, such 1953 (unclear if that was developing Niña due to recent re-set of criteria), 1970, 1973, 2005 (developing cold-neutral), 2007, and 2010.
I think he meant to right June 9th
June 9 would be about correct.

The early dates I remember were April 6 or 7 in 1991 and 2010, a few days later in 1977, heat waves culminating in 96 degree temperatures around the dead middle of April in 1976 and 2002 (lack of tree leafing creates an early spike in records, which don't again exceed 95 until mid-May), a touch of 90 in 1990, May 8 or 9 in 1979 and 2000 (both notably cool summers), and 2001 (a normal summer), and a cluster of 96's and 97's in 1969, 1986, and 1987. There were 90's that I remember also in Mays during 1974, 1975, 1991, and 1993.

Late starting summers include 1972 and 2014 (July 2 for first 90), and 1985 (about a week later). There may have been others that I don't remember well.
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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No need to go by memory, there is data available for you to check. It's May 28th. Official.

National Weather Service Climate

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Old 06-13-2015, 07:52 PM
 
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Got this from Americanwx


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the decade annual max temperature for KNYC...
1880-89...95.2
1890-99...96.7
1900-09...94.7
1910-19...97.3
1920-29...96.6
1930-39...99.3
1940-49...98.5
1950-59...98.1
1960-69...97.3
1970-79...96.5
1980-89...97.6
1990-99...97.9
2000-09...95.5
2010-14...99.2
.................................................. .........................
decade total 90 degree days...
decade...90+days100+
1870's...101.....0.....
1880's.....81.....1.....
1890's...138.....1.....
1900's...101.....2.....
1910's...115.....3.....
1920's...128.....2.....
1930's...189.....8.....
1940's...202.....8.....
1950's...175...12.....
1960's...181.....4.....
1970's...183.....3.....
1980's...195.....2.....
1990's...197.....8.....
2000's...123.....1.....
2010's...100.....5.....as of 9/6...average 20 90's for the five years and one 100...
1870-
2009.....149.....4.....
1980-
2009.....172.....4.....
UHI Effect on 90+ Days at KNYC - New York City Metro - American Weather
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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No need to go by memory, there is data available for you to check. It's May 28th. Official.
How good was my memory? And to achieve May 28 as average how far back did you go? That seems awfully early.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:40 AM
 
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How good was my memory? And to achieve May 28 as average how far back did you go? That seems awfully early.
It does but the first time they hit is typically end of May/early June. So they are late again this year.

If I used period on record it was May 30th. I used 1980-2015. Let me know if you have questions on how to retrieve stats from that page.

Here's the number of days 90+ in NYC. In 2004 they only hit it twice.
In July 2010 half the month was in the 90s. and even hit it in April too.

w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=okx


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