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Cool. A lot of expense for a few months, but they would be something different.
I wonder whether they let them die, dig them up and store/sell them, or build protection over them?
I usually spend some time each summer along the New Jersey coast. There is a house right on the beach there that has coconut palms planted every year. And every year in December they bite the dust. I don't get it. They look strangely out of place imo. The owner of the house is a lawyer, so he must just shell out the money every year for these. They ain't small. I wonder how much he pays. They actually have coconuts on them too.
Eh, it's not all that cold. Cold, yes, but not frigid. Those snow icons are for snow showers, by the way, according to the forecast. Just a persistent light snow. Quite typical for the Great Lakes region.
Those temperatures are well below seasonal in Toronto in December, even daytime highs are below freezing so it's definitely frigid.
I've been hearing a lot in the news here about the warmest weather for 2012 here in Canada for many decades.. and I personally believe it's a trend to warmer weather.
I checked out the winter averages for some places in Southern Ontario and it seems that with winters losing their snowpack and a trend towards much milder temperatures... it seems some parts of Southern Ontario are gradually becoming humid subtropical over time.
Check out these stations for January 2012 - the averages look much closer to what you might see in NYC or Boston on average vs. the averages for Southern Ontario
If southern Ontario is on its way to becoming a Cfa climate, then so is central Indiana, however since this thread is almost 9 years old I would venture to guess that southern Ontario has since seen comparatively hard winters since this thread was debuted in 2012.
If southern Ontario is on its way to becoming a Cfa climate, then so is central Indiana, however since this thread is almost 9 years old I would venture to guess that southern Ontario has since seen comparatively hard winters since this thread was debuted in 2012.
Well, Windsor-Riverside is already Cfa climate using the -3C threshold, and Windsor Airport will most likely be once the new 1991 to 2020 averages come out, Detroit already is. I don’t really consider the city subtropical, but it’s on its way, and can grow some subtropical plants like cold hardy evergreen Magnolias and Mimosos trees.
Yes I've been noticing that Toronto generally doesn't have a snowpack most winters anymore... it is becoming more Vancouver like which is why I'm wondering if it's becoming more like a humid subtropical climate than a typical continental one.
Well, if Toronto is becoming more Vancouver like then it's becoming more like an oceanic climate NOT a humid subtropical climate. If Toronto is becoming humid subtropical over time, then Houston and New Orleans would become tropical.
Well, Windsor-Riverside is already Cfa climate using the -3C threshold, and Windsor Airport will most likely be once the new 1991 to 2020 averages come out, Detroit already is. I don’t really consider the city subtropical, but it’s on its way, and can grow some subtropical plants like cold hardy evergreen Magnolias and Mimosos trees.
Environment Canada Downtown Toronto (St Catharines/Niagara Falls are warmer than Toronto):
Jan mean:
2012 -0.6C <-- Subtropical
2011 -5.2C
2010 -4.2C
2009 -7.0C
2008 -0.9C <-- Subtropical
2007 -1.7C <-- Subtropical
2006 +1.1C Yes, it's a PLUS, not a typo <-- Subtropical
2005 -5.4C
2004 -7.9C
2003 -6.6C
I couldn't find data for St Catharines/Niagara Falls.
The trend seems to move us to a transition subtropical zone
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Originally Posted by burloak
Snowbird, I think your on to something.
Curious, I checked Environment Canada website and looked at January data for
warmest places in southern Ontario.
Keep in mind data available is old 1971-2000 normals.
I think more areas of southern Ontario in the fututre will meet Koppens -3c
coldest month mean temp threshold.
Here are a few examples:
Burlington avg jan high -0.9c avg jan low -8.6c mean -4.8c
Chatham avg jan high -0.3c avg jan low -7.0c mean -3.7c
Niagara Falls avg jan high -0.4c avg jan low -7.9c mean -4.2c
Port Dahousie avg jan high -0.6c avg jan low -7.1c mean -3.9c
St. Catharines avg jan high -0.5c avg jan low -7.7c mean -4.1c
Hamilton** avg jan high -0.4c avg jan low -6.8c mean -3.6c **downtown weather station
Toronto** avg jan high -1.1c avg jan low -7.3c mean -4.2c **downtown weather station
Windsor avg jan high -0.9 avg jan low -8.1c mean -4.5c
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Originally Posted by Snowbird100
Yes, Toronto (especially downtown Toronto) and some selected regions such as St Catharines/Niagara, Hamilton, Windsor Chatham Leamington stand a good chance reaching the threshold of -3C Jan mean.
One thing to point out though is the lattitude of Toronto is deceiving in terms of climate. Toronto was built beside a huge body of water, lake Ontario, and far away from Georgian Bay and lake Huron. That's why Toronto is warmer and just South of the snow belt.
Downtown Toronto is zone 6b and I am not surprised it will eventually move into zone 7a or 7b (NYC, DC), making it the coolest subtropical city in the foreseeable future.
BTW, St Catherine/Niagara region and the Windsor area are already in zone 7a, according to some websites.
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Originally Posted by Snowbird100
Downtown Toronto from 2003-2012 (10 years) Jan mean: -3.42C
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Originally Posted by Snowbird100
I used data from Environment Canada for downtown Toronto from 1971-2000 (30 years) and from 2003-2012 (10 years):
Downtown Toronto Jan mean (40 years from 1971-2012 excluding 2001-2002 no data): -4.005C
In summary, from 2003-2012 (10 years): Jan mean -3.42C
We are getting to the -3C threshold soon
Is it fair to begin to say "Downtown Toronto is shy of 0.42C to be technically subtropical" ?
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Originally Posted by JuliganO
I would consider Toronto a warm temperate climate, but not subtropical.
Here are a couple of communities adjacent or just a fifteen minute drive from the city.
Can you tell me with a straight face that this is warm temperate or near subtropical?
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, however since this thread is almost 9 years old I would venture to guess that southern Ontario has since seen comparatively hard winters since this thread was debuted in 2012
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