Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Weather
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-31-2012, 10:03 AM
nei nei won $500 in our forum's Most Engaging Poster Contest - Thirteenth Edition (Jan-Feb 2015). 

Over $104,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum and additional contests are planned
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
45,983 posts, read 53,478,433 times
Reputation: 15184

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom77falcons View Post
We need a quick program to calculate std deviation for us.
Not difficult to do if one could get data as a text file; it might exist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-31-2012, 10:23 AM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
11,769 posts, read 10,595,401 times
Reputation: 3099
The Met Office website has deviations from average for all the months.

In July the average at Kew is 23.5C, 1 year in 5 will average above 25.3C and 1 year in 5 will average below 21.9C.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
22,112 posts, read 29,581,703 times
Reputation: 8819
^^ interesting. I wasn't aware of that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
9,589 posts, read 27,806,022 times
Reputation: 3647
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
An average maximum of 23C means that the cooler days can often be around 18-19C and even 16C exceptionally.

An average maximum of 27C means that the cooler days are around 22-23C and days with highs below 20C are very rare.
I have been watching weather forecasts intently in Toronto from about 1995 until 2010.

Except our hottest summers,
we ALWAYS get at least one 17 C/63 F afternoon occuring mid-summer (late-Jun to mid-Aug)
usually very windy and/or very cloudy too.

My best guess is we average 3-5 mid-summer afternoons with highs under 20 C/68 F.

I think Toronto's summer temperatures are more unstable than London's;
longer spells of consistently warm-to-hot weather as well as long cool (< 24 C) spells.

*I hate cool summer days, so it's always easy for me to remember when it happens.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2012, 04:12 PM
 
6,908 posts, read 7,667,286 times
Reputation: 2595
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdCanadian View Post
I have been watching weather forecasts intently in Toronto from about 1995 until 2010.

Except our hottest summers,
we ALWAYS get at least one 17 C/63 F afternoon occuring mid-summer (late-Jun to mid-Aug)
usually very windy and/or very cloudy too.

My best guess is we average 3-5 mid-summer afternoons with highs under 20 C/68 F.

I think Toronto's summer temperatures are more unstable than London's;
longer spells of consistently warm-to-hot weather as well as long cool (< 24 C) spells.

*I hate cool summer days, so it's always easy for me to remember when it happens.
Usually just in June, much rarer to see them in July and August, the past 2 years atleast.

Hows summer in Newcastle?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2012, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
9,589 posts, read 27,806,022 times
Reputation: 3647
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetsNHL View Post
Usually just in June, much rarer to see them in July and August, the past 2 years atleast.

Hows summer in Newcastle?
I think most people don't mind if one or two days that aren't warm.
I hated the weather so much, summer was my "compensation" for the rest of the year and every day mattered.

Summers in Newcastle, Australia are generally superb.
Since mid-December...
Mornings below 16 C/60 F are uncommon; typical sunrise is 18-20 C (65-69 F)
Afternoons below 24 C/75 F are also uncommon; typical afternoon is 26-31 C (78-88 F)
Newcastle summer is like consistently getting the better 2/3rds of Toronto summer weather...
except intermittent, rare hotter days are a lot hotter and dryer; "scorching" is a fitting term.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2012, 11:03 PM
 
637 posts, read 1,026,718 times
Reputation: 555
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdCanadian View Post
I think most people don't mind if one or two days that aren't warm.
I hated the weather so much, summer was my "compensation" for the rest of the year and every day mattered.

Summers in Newcastle, Australia are generally superb.
Since mid-December...
Mornings below 16 C/60 F are uncommon; typical sunrise is 18-20 C (65-69 F)
Afternoons below 24 C/75 F are also uncommon; typical afternoon is 26-31 C (78-88 F)
Newcastle summer is like consistently getting the better 2/3rds of Toronto summer weather...
except intermittent, rare hotter days are a lot hotter and dryer; "scorching" is a fitting term.
I agree, most summer days in Toronto are plently warm enough,
same goes for Ottawa and Montreal too.

Isn't Newcastle's climate very similar to Sydney?, just a degree or two warmer,
or am I wrong?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-01-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Niagara Falls, ON
1,231 posts, read 1,387,528 times
Reputation: 1901
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdCanadian View Post
The point was to compare years with our cooler summer weather seasons with London's normal summer weather seasons.
About 1-in-5 years we have what Toronto residents call "A Year Without Summer"

I want to know if patterns like this is normal in London: (or is this still cooler than London's typical summer?)

- 2 to 3 weeks with highs below 21 C/70 F with the bulk of days between 17-19 C and a few 15 C days in the middle of summer
interupted only by 1-4 days with highs between 22-26 C... then back to the dominant 17-19 C daytime high pattern
The lowest average July high at Pearson Airport (on record) was in 1992 - 22.9°c. Everyday was above 20°c except for four days (15.4°c, 19°c, 19.3°c, 19.5°c).

Daily Data | Canada's National Climate Archive

August of that same year had an average high of 23°c

Monthly Data | Canada's National Climate Archive

Record cool summers in Toronto are pretty close to London's average summers. 1992 still had four months with average high's above 20°c.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
Ok, one of the coolest summer months for Toronto would be below average for London:

History | Weather Underground

that same month in my town was still a little a bit above London's average.
This station (Toronto City Center Airport) is on an island that tends to be 1-3°c cooler/more humid than the rest of Toronto because of the great lakes cooling effect. Inland stations are usually warmer:

Pearson - History | Weather Underground

Uptown - History | Weather Underground

Last edited by Humid Subtropical; 01-01-2013 at 01:08 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-01-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
9,589 posts, read 27,806,022 times
Reputation: 3647
Quote:
Originally Posted by burloak View Post
I agree, most summer days in Toronto are plently warm enough,
same goes for Ottawa and Montreal too.

Isn't Newcastle's climate very similar to Sydney?, just a degree or two warmer,
or am I wrong?
For myself, most sunsets in Toronto summer felt cool and this annoyed me.
Then our cooler days felt like sunset or nighttime all day long.
Toronto heatwaves accounted for three-quarters of my "very happy days" in summer
and the rest was a small portion of just above-seasonal days. (28-29 C days and/or 19+ C lows)

So roughly 10 to 60 days in summer were "very happy days" in Toronto.

It's not always warmer, but generally yes.
I think Newcastle also gets fewer hours of overcast than Sydney.
This year we are in a drier pattern (El Nino?)
and sunshine & rain patterns feels similar to when I lived in Western Australia.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-01-2013, 08:57 PM
 
6,908 posts, read 7,667,286 times
Reputation: 2595
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdCanadian View Post
For myself, most sunsets in Toronto summer felt cool and this annoyed me.
Then our cooler days felt like sunset or nighttime all day long.
Toronto heatwaves accounted for three-quarters of my "very happy days" in summer
and the rest was a small portion of just above-seasonal days. (28-29 C days and/or 19+ C lows)

So roughly 10 to 60 days in summer were "very happy days" in Toronto.

It's not always warmer, but generally yes.
I think Newcastle also gets fewer hours of overcast than Sydney.
This year we are in a drier pattern (El Nino?)
and sunshine & rain patterns feels similar to when I lived in Western Australia.
Sun must feel good though eh, compared to Canada.

I just feel more energized and warmer if the UV is higher, love it.

For me I didn't really feel much of a difference between uv index of 9 compared to 11 closer to the equator.

But I assume if it is at 14 like where you are then it really makes a difference from 9.

That is one of the big things I hate about winter, sun is much too weak and I don't have much energy. Not to mention also have to take vitamin D pills.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Weather

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top