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Old 02-14-2016, 12:39 PM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
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People who use average high as the mean temperature should be banned. Obvious warm bias.
I don't think anyone here does that.

 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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I think it's revealing rather than annoying.

Some posters might have to defend their climates more, as they often seem to be under attack -gloomy, damp, chilly etc, and they don't feel that those terms reflect the actual feel of the place.
It's wrong though. You may as well use the average low as a mean temperature too.

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What can people tell by the way I portray my climate?
Nothing really, you don't seem to have any bias when it comes to your climate.

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I don't think anyone here does that.
There's one poster who very obviously does that.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:43 PM
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I think a lot of people pay more attention to the high rather than the low, as it's closer to when people are likely to be outside.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:45 PM
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There's one poster who very obviously does that.
Who?
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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I think a lot of people pay more attention to the high rather than the low, as it's closer to when people are likely to be outside.
Yeah, but to call it the "average" or essentially the mean is completely wrong.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:48 PM
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It's annoying when people try and make their climate out to be something it's not.
It's also annoying when people who have never visited a place or have been there for a week think they know more about the climate than someone who actually lives in said climate.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:50 PM
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It's also annoying when people who have never visited a place or have been there for a week think they know more about the climate than someone who actually lives in said climate.
If you're referring to the London discussion, I don't see how that's necessary. Isn't looking up the sunshine numbers enough? And sometimes posters who live in their climate exaggerate, I double-check with data.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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Who?
Not naming any names, seeing as how the post would be deleted if I do.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 12:57 PM
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If you're referring to the London discussion, I don't see how that's necessary. Isn't looking up the sunshine numbers enough? And sometimes posters who live in their climate exaggerate, I double-check with data.
The sunshine numbers in the UK used to be recorded differently though, and instead of just using the raw data from electronic sensors, they have adjusted them to fit with old CS data. The WMO standard values are about 13-14% higher than the CS values, and even more for US comparisons.

The Met Office have adjusted the sunshine figures downward to keep them in line with more conservative CS values, but of course this always gets ignored.

It's not just regarding the recent London conversation, it's anytime anyone mentions anything about the UK climate, the people who actually live or lived here (me, irlinit, flamingalah, and meteoman- when he lived in the SE) would call them out on it.
 
Old 02-14-2016, 01:01 PM
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The sunshine numbers in the UK used to be recorded differently though, and instead of just using the raw data from electronic sensors, they have adjusted them to fit with old CS data. The WMO standard values are about 13-14% higher than the CS values, and even more for US comparisons.

The Met Office have adjusted the sunshine figures downward to keep them in line with more conservative CS values, but of course this always gets ignored.
But 13-14% would still leave most of England still quite cloudy.

I thought the WMO used CS values, it was only the US that didn't. I think most know here that American values are inflated relative to other stations, note that the station I report sunshine numbers from (Blue Hill, Observatory, MA) does use a CS recorder and averages 2300-2400 hours.
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