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Old 04-07-2017, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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It takes me 10 minutes to walk that distance as well. No big deal.

 
Old 04-07-2017, 05:40 AM
 
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They could, if they wanted to. They just thought what worked for the 'No' campaign during the Scots referendum would work in the EU referendum as well, but it didn't. Obviously those of us who are already informed and don't rely on other people to educate us already made up our minds on how we were going to vote.

And it is unsurprising that people who dislike the EU don't like EU politicians and those who do like the EU dislike Farage. Nothing new or groundbreaking here. I don't really care about Guy Verhofstadt either though.
But it didn't work in the Scots referendum. In fact they blew a huge lead in the polls and and had to desperately make major political concessions in the final days of the campaign in order to save the union.

Of course many people had already made their minds up, but in a referendum as close astrictly last year's, undecided voters really are decisive.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Paris
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I reckon it takes me about 114584 minutes to walk that distance, and no, I'm not moving over to let y'all pass.


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Pah, that's nothing. A yellow house with a blue roof - now that's architecture at its best.

https://goo.gl/maps/RuwCktEMnj62
I must say those are some awesome horse heads.

There's a mansion one street away from my building, they recently built a gilded fence with big spaceship-shaped, lit from the inside thingys at each end. Then on the roof of the caretaker's cottage, they put up a weathervane as big as the house itself. There's also a jukebox in the front yard, it glows at night. Pretty random stuff really, the owner is probably a bit of a lunatic.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 05:49 AM
 
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Rubbish. Without the UK the EU will be great again.
Implying that the UK was responsible for the EU's lost greatness?

The true cause of that wasn't the UK, which was a solid financial contributor to the project. Instead it was largely caused by the failing Eurozone, which the UK has never even been a part of.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 05:53 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry reads: "The very presence of U.S. troops and other countries on the territory of Syria, without the consent of the government or the decision of the U.N. Security Council is a gross, obvious and unwarranted violation of international law.
Source: Damaged US-Russia relations: Russia's reaction on US strike on Syria - war, Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, rocket, Russia, Syria, USA, War in Syria, Damaged US-Russia relations, Lavrov (07.04.17 12:14) « Incidents « News | EN.Censor.net


The very presence of Russian troops and weapons on the territory of Ukraine, without the consent of the government or the decision of the U.N. Security Council is a gross, obvious and unwarranted violation of international law.

Dirty Russian scum talking about international standards... f-ck russia. Dirty, ****ty terrorist country
 
Old 04-07-2017, 05:55 AM
 
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statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry reads: "The very presence of U.S. troops and other countries on the territory of Syria, without the consent of the government or the decision of the U.N. Security Council is a gross, obvious and unwarranted violation of international law.
Source: Damaged US-Russia relations: Russia's reaction on US strike on Syria - war, Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, rocket, Russia, Syria, USA, War in Syria, Damaged US-Russia relations, Lavrov (07.04.17 12:14) « Incidents « News | EN.Censor.net


The very presence of Russian troops and weapons on the territory of Ukraine, without the consent of the government or the decision of the U.N. Security Council is a gross, obvious and unwarranted violation of international law.

Dirty Russian scum talking about international standards... f-ck russia. Dirty, ****ty terrorist country
Russia are hilariously hypocritical.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Implying that the UK was responsible for the EU's lost greatness?

The true cause of that wasn't the UK, which was a solid financial contributor to the project. Instead it was largely caused by the failing Eurozone, which the UK has never even been a part of.

The UK was a net contributor (not a really big one), but was reluctant to integrate further. The other member states can continue the process of closer integration if that's what they want, and it will be easier without the UK.

Although countries like Sweden and Denmark usually sided with the UK, so it will be interesting to see how they act, now that a major ally has departed.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 06:14 AM
 
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The UK was a net contributor, but was reluctant to integrate further. The other member states can continue the process of closer integration if that's what they want, and it will be easier without the UK.

Although countries like Sweden and Denmark usually sided with the UK, so it will be interesting to see how they act now.
Not all countries sought deeper integration, some of those saw the UK as a powerful voice for their concerns. It was the UK's opposition to freedom of movement that most members couldn't agree with. Obviously continental nations are naturally far more supportive of protecting open borders.

The main problem is the EU's lack of flexibility. A political union that isn't willing to make meaningful concessions on key issues is doomed to failure. I hope Brexit can be a positive force for the EU, but if they fail to learn lessons from it, then it could be catastrophe.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Not all countries sought deeper integration, some of those saw the UK as a powerful voice for their concerns. It was the UK's opposition to freedom of movement that most members couldn't agree with. Obviously continental nations are naturally far more supportive of protecting open borders.

The main problem is the EU's lack of flexibility. A political union that isn't willing to make meaningful concessions on key issues is doomed to failure. I hope Brexit can be a positive force for the EU, but if they fail to learn lessons from it, then it could be catastrophe.
And this will presumably be an important test for these nations. If they don't want closer integration then they'll have to make a choice, because having one foot in and one foot out probably won't last forever. For example, will Denmark and Sweden be able to avoid joining the euro indefinitely, if the EU really is on course to 'superstatehood'? The euro is popular in every country that has it, but is not popular at all in Denmark and Sweden.

The EU doesn't need to make concessions, not regarding things like freedom of movement - and most member states are not in a position to make demands like the UK, since most EU member states take more than they give back and know exactly where their loyalties lie - at least for the time being (think Poland and Hungary who talk tough but don't want to risk losing millions of pounds of development money, primarily from Germany, France etc).
 
Old 04-07-2017, 06:25 AM
 
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And this will presumably be an important test for these nations. If they don't want closer integration then they'll have to make a choice, because having one foot in and one foot out probably won't last forever. For example, will Denmark and Sweden be able to avoid joining the euro indefinitely, if the EU really is on course to 'superstatehood'? The euro is popular in every country that has it, but is not popular at all in Denmark and Sweden.

The EU doesn't need to make concessions, not regarding things like freedom of movement - and most member states are not in a position to make demands like the UK, since most EU member states take more than they give back and know exactly where their loyalties lie - at least for the time being (think Poland and Hungary who talk tough but don't want to risk losing millions of pounds of development money, primarily from Germany, France etc).
Of course the EU needs to make concessions, all political unions need to if they wish to enjoy longevity, Brexit is an example of what happens when a union isn't willing to compromise.

Look at the most successful union in the world today, the USA. In order to exist it had to make compromises on many issues, even slavery. It wasn't ideal, but they were so determined for the union to work that everything was up for negotiation.
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