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Old 02-09-2021, 04:10 PM
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https://weather.com/storms/winter/ne...-early-january

The late December-January 2018 cold was epic.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2018/0...7.47,67.20,284

Compare with the current one happening February 9 2021

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2021/0...7.47,67.20,284

And for good measure, the February 2015 one

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2015/0...7.47,67.20,284
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2015/0...7.47,67.20,284

(click the word "earth" in the lower left corner to get the menu, you can change the dates, the level of atmosphere, what you are viewing, all kinds of fun)
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:07 PM
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While this topic was extremly unpopular, which is an understatement actually, I was checking the 10hPa vortex just now, and compared it to the 2018 pattern, and they are so similar, which was odd enough to make me post about it.

2018 10hPa vortex

2022 10hPa vortex

I know, what are the odds?

Probably better than ever finding somebody who finds this interesting.
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Old 12-11-2022, 08:37 AM
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https://earth.nullschool.net/#curren...133.556,29.477

Shows clearly the same pattern from previous years, leading to massive cold for the US
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Old 12-11-2022, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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https://earth.nullschool.net/#curren...133.556,29.477

Shows clearly the same pattern from previous years, leading to massive cold for the US
Yes, there are clear similarities. Apparently Dec/Jan 2000 is another analog.

The truly epic and prolonged cold outbreaks are often also associated with a SSW event. Not certain yet that this is going to happen although it can't be ruled out.
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Old 12-11-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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December/January 2000, not good. If I remember correctly 99% of the places on my freeze monitoring list had a colder than normal coldest winter temperature, and some places in South Florida even got freak freezes.

On the upside, if that happens it will probably lead to good last freeze monitoring because of using up all the cold air. Following it some places had very good monitoring, like Augusta Daniel Field getting a record early January 26 last freeze.
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Old 12-13-2022, 06:26 AM
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After far too long looking at the polar vortex and the surface temperatures, it seems there isn't just one pattern that leads to arctic air intruding on our lovely warmer climates.
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Old 12-13-2022, 06:32 AM
 
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After far too long looking at the polar vortex and the surface temperatures, it seems there isn't just one pattern that leads to arctic air intruding on our lovely warmer climates.
I call it the low latitude fail effect for many areas of the eastern US. That is why even with warming climate, you can throw those "stable" concrete plant hardiness zones out entirely based on certain arctic air intrusion scenarios.
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Old 12-13-2022, 07:02 AM
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For a second I didn't understand what you meant by "concrete plant hardiness zones". I'm like, concrete plants are effected by extreme cold? They can't make concrete in the winter?
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Old 12-13-2022, 07:40 AM
 
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For a second I didn't understand what you meant by "concrete plant hardiness zones". I'm like, concrete plants are effected by extreme cold? They can't make concrete in the winter?
Plant hardiness zones aren't set in stone, the extreme variability of arctic air intrusions will burn gardeners every 5-10 years if they try growing warmer hardiness trees and plants in a transitional humid continental/humid subtropical area.
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Old 12-14-2022, 11:46 AM
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I know all about that. Including watching the Florida citrus industry destroyed by an increasing number of impact freezes, until there was no more citrus grown except in south Florida. And watching the coconut palms all die.

Along with every other unprotected tropical tree and plant.

The current stratospheric vortex once again shows how much the upper atmosphere affects what happens down below.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2022/1...9.02,44.74,368

There is no "warming event", it's just what happens when it's extremely cold, and these multiple cortices combine to send the coldest air down, which means very strong jet streams, and based on the model, it's going to be a "cold outbreak", which of course will end up being blamed on warming.

While it seems to be a different pattern than the mid February 2021 cold outbreaks, it's not actually that different. Looking at the 10 hPa layer.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2021/0...8.13,68.20,358

The 70 hPa layer is where you can see the difference.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2021/0...8.13,68.20,358

compared to

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2022/1...8.13,68.20,358

Sometimes just eyeballing the model output reveals all kinds of interesting patterns.
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