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Both are Cfa, but Jacksonville without a doubt is much more quintessential. I am not familiar with European climates so I had to do some extra research, but it seems Milan is only 2.5C in the coldest month and 23.6C in the warmest - making Jacksonville WAY, WAY more quintessential in that it is the closest to the quintessential Cfa of Dallas Love Field (image box for reference).
Given that this is the quintessential Cfa, it's very easy to see why Jacksonville is closer!
Milan is somewhat closer to subarctic, than to 'subtropical' (though very far from either). This is not a contest in the slightest compared to Jacksonville which is strongly subtropical.
6 C average highs and cloudy winters like that will never be subtropical sorry, not to mention the very low annual mean of 13 C. The summers aren't even that long to make up for those cold winters, unlike climates in China with similar (and much sunnier) winters but MUCH longer and hotter summers. Milan's latitude is 45.46 N for god's sake! That's more than 10 degrees poleward of the official subtropics. Just look at the vegetation and scenery around Milan-- I needn't say more. Let's get back to reality please.
]Milan is somewhat closer to subarctic, than to 'subtropical' [/b](though very far from either). This is not a contest in the slightest compared to Jacksonville which is strongly subtropical.
6 C average highs and cloudy winters like that will never be subtropical sorry, not to mention the very low annual mean of 13 C. The summers aren't even that long to make up for those cold winters, unlike climates in China with similar (and much sunnier) winters but MUCH longer and hotter summers. Milan's latitude is 45.46 N for god's sake! That's more than 10 degrees poleward of the official subtropics. Just look at the vegetation and scenery around Milan-- I needn't say more. Let's get back to reality please.
That is a bit extreme. Milan is clearly right on boderline of what is Subtropical and could be regarded as such if we go off Koppen. Even if we didn't it is only a few hours from cities that are clearly subtropical (Csa) such as Rome. Northern Europe would be closer to the Subarctic than subtropics especially Ireland, UK and Scandinavia.
I do agree with you though those winters is why I feel most won't see it as Subtropical. Very different from Southern Italy
Milan subropical ? ... jeez mate, I want some of those 'Shrooms you've been ingesting... lol
I wouldn't regard it as Subtropical myself but if we go of Koppen it clearly is but also on the boundary. I'd still see the likes of Auckland and Tauranga as more subtropical than Milan due to those cold winters.
An example of how the Mediterranean is very warm for its latitude. Mersin, Turkey at 36.5N has an annual mean of over 20C. That's almost as warm as Brisbane, warmer than Porto Alegre, Goma and northern coastal NSW, and significantly warmer than Toowoomba, Curitiba and Harare.
I would say that Milan feels oceanic in many ways, but that Rijeka or Zadar start to feel more subtropical since 10C winter daily highs isn't that cold any more.
Both are Cfa, but Jacksonville without a doubt is much more quintessential. I am not familiar with European climates so I had to do some extra research, but it seems Milan is only 2.5C in the coldest month and 23.6C in the warmest - making Jacksonville WAY, WAY more quintessential in that it is the closest to the quintessential Cfa of Dallas Love Field (image box for reference).
Given that this is the quintessential Cfa, it's very easy to see why Jacksonville is closer!
I'm not sure why Dallas is quintessential Cfa. It has hotter summers than most Cfa climates and an almost Mediterranean precipitation pattern. I would have thought somewhere like Atlanta was more typical of Cfa, due to its flat precipitation pattern.
I'm not sure why Dallas is quintessential Cfa. It has hotter summers than most Cfa climates
That's actually something that can be expected for some Cfa. It is possible for some of these climates to have hotter than expected summers because the horse latitudes' longer days during summer than the tropics can be conducive to more heating up time than is lost by the weaker sun angle.
And Dallas is smack in the middle of these latitudes while being the furthest inland not-borderline Cfa in the US at that latitude. So it's going to have those very toasty summers for sure - remaining quintessential because this as mentioned is a reasonable mechanism-wise feature of Cfa climates.
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and an almost Mediterranean precipitation pattern.
Thank you for pointing that out, because that reminds me - I didn't see it at the time but as it turns out the Dallas box in my image is outdated precipitation wise. July and August actually have 65mm and 59mm of precipitation respectively, not the 43mm and 56mm on the first box: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Dallas#Data
With that problem fixed, Dallas has the fairly evenly distributed precipitation one would expect of a Cfa. Only significant outliers are May and October, and that's not at all crazy because 10/12 months are fairly flat and even evenly (haha) distributed rainfall is not static.
if the first box was the actual precipitation, I would agree with you that it's not very quintessentially Cfa on that front. However, the precipitation of the first box is not exactly a Csa/Mediterranean precipitation pattern, more like half Csa/Cwa because winter is also dry on it.
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I would have thought somewhere like Atlanta was more typical of Cfa, due to its flat precipitation pattern.
To be fair, Atlanta is also a pretty good example of a Cfa on both of those fronts. It may not be the picture-perfect smack-dab-middle-Cfa Dallas is (and that picture-perfect was what I was attempting to reference), but any Cfa with the flat/somewhat warm season bias precipitation that is within a degree or 2C or the middle ground works.
Some other not smack-dab-middle-examples within that range (at least mean temperature wise) besides the Atlanta airport are Tallahassee, Columbia, Savannah, and Wilmington airports. Any of these will give you a basic idea of what a more middle ground Cfa is like for mean temperatures.
All this of course makes Jacksonville much more similar to Dallas than Milan is, Milan is borderline hot summer continental Dfa (about as close to that as Orlando is to being tropical) with the previously mentioned nearly oceanic summers too (about as close to Cfb as Minneapolis is to Dfb).
Jacksonville of course has neither.
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