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To be fair both parties should lose total investments (time, money and gifts) or have a legal agreement before the exchange of property to keep everything clear. I think it would make it easier to sort if it ended and people would have one more step in thinking about what they are about to do. (getting married or cheating)
To label the ring as a conditional gift is silly. What if she bought him a car etc. ?She doesn't get that back.
To be fair both parties should lose total investments (time, money and gifts) or have a legal agreement before the exchange of property to keep everything clear. I think it would make it easier to sort if it ended and people would have one more step in thinking about what they are about to do. (getting married or cheating)
To label the ring as a conditional gift is silly. What if she bought him a car etc. ?She doesn't get that back.
When it comes to engagement rings there doesn't need to be an agreement because it's not a typical gift. It is conditional. People know this. The same goes for wedding gifts. You wouldn't, for example, keep wedding gifts if you or your groom decided the day before your wedding that one of you couldn't go through with it, right? You don't need a contract drawn up between you and your future guests, correct? Of course not. It's understood.
When it comes to engagement rings there doesn't need to be an agreement because it's not a typical gift. It is conditional. People know this. The same goes for wedding gifts. You wouldn't, for example, keep wedding gifts if you or your groom decided the day before your wedding that one of you couldn't go through with it, right? You don't need a contract drawn up between you and your future guests, correct? Of course not. It's understood.
Its only conditional in some states. Not all. So it depends on where you live. Why would you drop off a wedding gift before the wedding?
Its only conditional in some states. Not all. So it depends on where you live. Why would you drop off a wedding gift before the wedding?
You never heard of a wedding registry? Wedding gifts do arrive before the wedding, especially from folk who cannot attend. Providing you have a family and friendships and decide to do a traditional wedding, of course. Many couples will register at a particular place or a few places. For example, I was registered at Macy's, bed, bath, & beyond, and REI. Guests go to the website, find the couple who is registered, and purchase gifts selected on the list. The gifts start arriving weeks before the wedding. Then there are the engagement gifts, which should also be returned if the wedding doesn't happen. I guess this issue simply comes down to etiquette. Some folk value it, while it's not on the radar for others.
Any way, you didn't answer the question. Would you return those wedding gifts if the wedding didn't happen? I'm guessing yes, even tho they are gifts, and there are probably no laws preventing you from keeping them. You would understand they are conditional. Why give that kind of respect to others and not your former fiance?
Didn't read alll the pages in the thread but in Texas an engagement ring is a promise to the contract of marriage....If he gave the ring and broke off the engagement then it doesn't have to be returned. This is the eqilivent of his buying himself out of the contract...if he bought the ring and she broke off the engagement then she is required to return the ring.
Didn't read alll the pages in the thread but in Texas an engagement ring is a promise to the contract of marriage....If he gave the ring and broke off the engagement then it doesn't have to be returned. This is the eqilivent of his buying himself out of the contract...if he bought the ring and she broke off the engagement then she is required to return the ring.
And if each says the other broke the engagement first, then that will be really confusing.
Any way, you didn't answer the question. Would you return those wedding gifts if the wedding didn't happen? I'm guessing yes, even tho they are gifts, and there are probably no laws preventing you from keeping them. You would understand they are conditional. Why give that kind of respect to others and not your former fiance?
Anyone I was inviting to a wedding I could call and ask if they wanted it back. But they didn't cause any faults that created the separation unlike the fiance.
This is the woman's side of the story. LOL I wonder what the truth is.
Surgeon refused to pick up ring after breakup, attorney says - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Surgeon-refused-to-pick-up-ring-after-breakup-2195536.php - broken link)
Like you stated, I wonder what the truth is, but I wouldn't be so quick to label her a gold-digger. I love the fact that Fischer wants to keep it a private matter now. Why the heck didn't he have "no comment" when first approached about the story?
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