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Hi Guys,
Have a little question for you all:
I am hourly.
My company is requring that I attend a meeting that will involve a bus and plane trip on Sunday, and a return bus and plane trip on a Wednesday.
My manager is trying to tell me that the company will pay for the bus and plane on Sunday and Wednesday, but will NOT pay for the time it takes for me to get to location (about 8 hours) since it's a weekend day and I'm not "working" just sitting around on various pieces of transit. I can see his side, but then I don't see his side. I feel I should get paid for my travel time, it is part of doing work to me, how else would I get to this required location outside of a teleporter?
On the Wednesday I am traveling back, my manager told me I could use a vacation day or just go unpaid. Really? Burn a vacation day to facilitate required company travel?
There is no way I can refuse to this trip, also they will not "allow" me to take a company laptop and work during travel as I am "only hourly".
You are on that bus and that plane because the company requires you to be. They should be paying you for it. And at time-and-a-half if it is over 40 hrs.
On the Wednesday I am traveling back, my manager told me I could use a vacation day or just go unpaid. Really? Burn a vacation day to facilitate required company travel?
You know, I've traveled on weekends before and not been paid. It's not right, but if overall the good outweighs the bad, you can sometimes accept some things that aren't quite right...
But not paying you for Wednesday, a day you usually work, just because you're traveling? That just seems really wrong.
You offered to bring a laptop and work during those travel hours on Wednesday, and since that's a day you would be working otherwise, I can't see why they won't allow that? If I were you I would bring that option up again. You never know, if you frame it that way, your boss may change his mind.
There are actually FLSA rulings about travel time. Its been a long time since I checked into them but if I recall, when you travel on the weekends the company has to pay you for any time involved in traveling between the hours of your normal workweek. (Example, if you are normally at work during the week at 2pm and this trip started at 2pm and you are still in transit at 7pm -- say the plane did not land --even tho its Sunday traveling its paid time. But if you begin traveling at 6pm and your normal weekday schedule ends a 5pm, not paid time. Also if you chose to drive but could have taken an airplane, company can make adjustments. Time to and from airport is only covered if you went between airport and work location to actually work (otherwise its commute, commute is not covered). Time waiting for plane to take off....only covered if its a wait during the weekday core time.
I am pulling this from my memory.....go do some research on the regs......
Hi Guys,
Have a little question for you all:
I am hourly.
My company is requring that I attend a meeting that will involve a bus and plane trip on Sunday, and a return bus and plane trip on a Wednesday.
My manager is trying to tell me that the company will pay for the bus and plane on Sunday and Wednesday, but will NOT pay for the time it takes for me to get to location (about 8 hours) since it's a weekend day and I'm not "working" just sitting around on various pieces of transit. I can see his side, but then I don't see his side. I feel I should get paid for my travel time, it is part of doing work to me, how else would I get to this required location outside of a teleporter?
On the Wednesday I am traveling back, my manager told me I could use a vacation day or just go unpaid. Really? Burn a vacation day to facilitate required company travel?
There is no way I can refuse to this trip, also they will not "allow" me to take a company laptop and work during travel as I am "only hourly".
Is this unfair, or am I just being whiny?
Tell them they either pay you for the Wednesday or you aren't going. The Sunday thing I could go either way on. I have often traveled on a weekend with no compensation.
There are actually FLSA rulings about travel time. Its been a long time since I checked into them but if I recall, when you travel on the weekends the company has to pay you for any time involved in traveling between the hours of your normal workweek. (Example, if you are normally at work during the week at 2pm and this trip started at 2pm and you are still in transit at 7pm -- say the plane did not land --even tho its Sunday traveling its paid time. But if you begin traveling at 6pm and your normal weekday schedule ends a 5pm, not paid time. Also if you chose to drive but could have taken an airplane, company can make adjustments. Time to and from airport is only covered if you went between airport and work location to actually work (otherwise its commute, commute is not covered). Time waiting for plane to take off....only covered if its a wait during the weekday core time.
I am pulling this from my memory.....go do some research on the regs......
You didnlt do bad at all.. Good memory
Travel Away from Home Community: Travel that keeps an employee away from home overnight is travel away from home. Travel away from home is clearly work time when it cuts across the employee's workday. The time is not only hours worked on regular working days during normal working hours but also during corresponding hours on nonworking days. As an enforcement policy the Division will not consider as work time that time spent in travel away from home outside of regular working hours as a passenger on an airplane, train, boat, bus, or automobile.
You need to speak to them about this. Especially the part about taking a vacation day for Wednesday.
I had a salaried position and had to travel one time from CA to OH. My flight was leaving around 3pm from CA, so my boss told me I should just come into work at the usual time and leave early for the airport.
I told him I wasn't coming in at all because the hours I was sitting on a plane going to OH for a training seminar(that I really didn't want to go to) were my work hours for that day.
Travel Away from Home Community: Travel that keeps an employee away from home overnight is travel away from home. Travel away from home is clearly work time when it cuts across the employee's workday. The time is not only hours worked on regular working days during normal working hours but also during corresponding hours on nonworking days. As an enforcement policy the Division will not consider as work time that time spent in travel away from home outside of regular working hours as a passenger on an airplane, train, boat, bus, or automobile.
It might be helpful to the OP if you could provide a link to this excerpt so that he/she can use it to bolster the request/diplomatic demand to be paid for Wednesday.
That's not fair at all.
I have 2 business trips on my previous job (also hourly) and my boss said my hour start when I get into the airport (before departure).
My commute to the airport is my own time (same as commute to work on a daily basis).
Why you have to use your PTO or unpaid when you are on a business trip?
I hope they atleast pay for your meals?
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