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Personal examples like yours are nice but you are not the norm for someone with a hs diploma. So your in in the stats, just an outlier.
Well, you've just heard from two people who made the suggestion that maybe, just maybe, not everyone needs to go to college. That maybe the market can only support some of those graduates, and the rest are going to have to do something that they deem below them... Do you have any data to suggest that those that have pursued trade based careers are doing worse than college graduates? When a college graduate cannot find a job, what do they all do... They go back to college! At some point, people have to start questioning this endless cycle we're so eager to buy into... Just like service based economies
Well, you've just heard from two people who made the suggestion that maybe, just maybe, not everyone needs to go to college. That maybe the market can only support some of those graduates, and the rest are going to have to do something that they deem below them... Do you have any data to suggest that those that have pursued trade based careers are doing worse than college graduates? When a college graduate cannot find a job, what do they all do... They go back to college! At some point, people have to start questioning this endless cycle we're so eager to buy into... Just like service based economies
I never said college is for everyone. Just like four year degree data includes those that went to crappy schools the HS data includes those who went into trades which brings HS data up. It all balances out.
I doubt you'd like the data that compared those who went into a trade vs those who went to a top 50 university.
I never said college is for everyone. Just like four year degree data includes those that went to crappy schools the HS data includes those who went into trades which brings HS data up. It all balances out.
I doubt you'd like the data that compared those who went into a trade vs those who went to a top 50 university.
I know from personal experience that a person in the trades, if willing to travel, can make over $100,000 a year. A few of my buddies went to work with an outfit paying $3,000 a week not too long ago.
I know from personal experience that a person in the trades, if willing to travel, can make over $100,000 a year. A few of my buddies went to work with an outfit paying $3,000 a week not too long ago.
I have never said anything bad about people in skilled trade jobs. What is foolish though are people who continue to compare someone who is in a trade to the lowest college grad. There are plenty of crappy colleges out there with kids who aren't very smart.
To group everyone in college together is rather foolish just like it would be to group everyone with a HS degree as being he same if you are getting into more specifics.
I never said college is for everyone. Just like four year degree data includes those that went to crappy schools the HS data includes those who went into trades which brings HS data up. It all balances out.
I doubt you'd like the data that compared those who went into a trade vs those who went to a top 50 university.
I went to a university for undergrad that at the time was Top 15 (#15, to be exact)
Then, for my Masters, I went to a program that is now ranked #3 in it's field.
All of this which could have been completed MUCH cheaper and faster at easier, local schools (I had free rides to several local colleges).
I am also 12 years older than Andywire and I venture to guess he probably makes as much or more $ than me.
I went to a university for undergrad that at the time was Top 15 (#15, to be exact)
Then, for my Masters, I went to a program that is now ranked #3 in it's field.
All of this which could have been completed MUCH cheaper and faster at easier, local schools (I had free rides to several local colleges).
I am also 12 years older than Andywire and I venture to guess he probably makes as much or more $ than me.
Unfair ... maybe ... C'est la vie...
Not necessarily unfair. I had to start working at 17 to learn my trade. Went home every day smelling of sweat, cutting fluid, oil and filth. Employer taught me everything he knew in exchange for doing work that most people were not willing to do. Had to listen to my parents telling me I was wasting my life. All in all, I have no complaints
That on average going to college will make you more successful. I know this is the statement that drives you to post the same thing over and over here but that is the reality until you break it down further.
Since you like talking about your job. Is the kid that goes to some tier 3 school because mom and dad tell him he has to going to be more successful than a smart HS grad who gets himself into a skilled trade? No, probably not. That fact however doesn't change the overall big picture however, it's just a very small sample.
College isn't for everyone just like a trade isn't for the kid who can go on to a top school and be very successful.
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