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Old 02-23-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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One approach I have learned as a supervisor, former business owner, and now manager is that when someone threatens to leave over anything I tell them I will be happy to accept their resignation. You cannot let the employees tell you what to do and in many cases there is no way you could get them more money anyway. In my current position the salaries are increased only up to a maximum (currently 3.5%) based on their annual performance review. The Boards sets this not me. And yes, anyone can be replaced, including me, especially theses days with so many well qualified people looking for jobs.

Everyone would like more money, but once you accept an offer and are made aware of the raise policy, you really do need to look at promotions, whether in the same department or into another, and plotting to intimidate the supervisor is not going to help with that. I take this as a plan to make the OP afraid he will lose them all at once.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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Lightbulb Doubt it...

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30,000 employees is not exactly small.

People in hell want ice water, you can't always get what you want.
A company w/30,000 employees does not handle them in this manner, they know better.
Koale
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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I never complain about my salary; I never threaten to quit; and I never bring offers from other companies to the table. If I'm unsatisfied, I'll talk to my boss and explain why I should be better compensated. If it's a no go and I feel severely underpaid, I'll quit.

Using this method I've managed to keep a good working relationship with all my former employers. When I leave, I let it be known that there were no personal issues or hard feelings and it's just business.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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It is interesting seeing the posts from the people who seem to think they OP is wrong. How is he wrong? For holding people accountable to the arrangements they accepted when hired? Everyone knows what they will be paid and the work they are expected to do.

The company I work for pays very well for the jobs our employees do. I have people who make 5-10k more a year then the person across the street doing the same thing. I get these complaints as well, and there really is not much more you can do then explain how they are paid based on their work and performance. If people can not grasp that, then there is not much help for them. Luckily people here do.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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I never complain about my salary; I never threaten to quit; and I never bring offers from other companies to the table. If I'm unsatisfied, I'll talk to my boss and explain why I should be better compensated. If it's a no go and I feel severely underpaid, I'll quit.

Using this method I've managed to keep a good working relationship with all my former employers. When I leave, I let it be known that there were no personal issues or hard feelings and it's just business.

I don't even bother talking to the boss. If he thinks I should be paid more, he would have given me the money already. The fact he doesn't give me the money tells me that he doesn't think I am worth the cost.

I just walk if I think I am not compensated well enough. My boss has a chance to counteroffer when I put in my resignation.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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I don't even bother talking to the boss. If he thinks I should be paid more, he would have given me the money already. The fact he doesn't give me the money tells me that he doesn't think I am worth the cost.

I just walk if I think I am not compensated well enough. My boss has a chance to counteroffer when I put in my resignation.

What you fail to understand is, it's not like a light switch that you can turn on or off. There is a process. If you feel the need to walk, by all means wear your best pair of walking shoes.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"Most people make lateral moves. They go from one place to the next doing the same thing and keep getting the same exact result,"

Amen, and its best to remind them, Insanity is the act of doing the same thing again and again, and expecting different results.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:53 PM
 
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sking for a raise is bad attitude? Bet he has high turnover.if he is lower management then i am sure eventaully the will fine the one real problem.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: NJ
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texdav, How does one "sking" for a raise. Seriously, if management had thought they were worth more, they would have been paid more. The wise thing to do would be to find employment at a higher wage, if one is truly underpaid. But guess what, when they do not find someone paying substantially more, but rather offering essentially the same pay, that confirms they are already at Fair Market Value. So if you want more money, earning promotions and/or adding more education, skill sets, and training are key. Plus show a superb work ethic BEFORE you seek a raise.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:39 PM
 
Location: under a bridge
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texdav, How does one "sking" for a raise. Seriously, if management had thought they were worth more, they would have been paid more. The wise thing to do would be to find employment at a higher wage, if one is truly underpaid. But guess what, when they do not find someone paying substantially more, but rather offering essentially the same pay, that confirms they are already at Fair Market Value. So if you want more money, earning promotions and/or adding more education, skill sets, and training are key. Plus show a superb work ethic BEFORE you seek a raise.
Management doesn't necessarily pay you what your worth. They usually only pay you what they think is the minimum necessary to keep you. I've known more than one person who had asked for a raise only to be turned down because "there isn't enough money I the budget." I always thought it was funny how once they put in their notice, all of a sudden more money was available.
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