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I knew classmates in college who had a 4.0 GPA but didn't know how to address a letter or what an adjective is. There is variation between high schools, but an A being a 90-100 at one school or 93-100 at another school isn't going to be a ton of error. A student taking broadcast journalism and another taking accounting is vastly different degrees of difficulty.
I meant I want to hire high school students and have them not go to college, instead opting for work full time.
If teachers grade on a curve, which they often do, a child in a Chicago school getting an A would probably get a C in the school my kids attended. You can't guarantee you'll be pulling from the same school districts. Unless you're in the middle of a major city, I wouldn't count on an A equaling an A.
I would target local kids who are in vocational schools or community colleges looking for part time work instead.
Not knowing what your business is, unless you have a path for them to grow and be developed into higher positions making better money, it sort of feels like slave labor to me.
I knew classmates in college who had a 4.0 GPA but didn't know how to address a letter or what an adjective is. There is variation between high schools, but an A being a 90-100 at one school or 93-100 at another school isn't going to be a ton of error. A student taking broadcast journalism and another taking accounting is vastly different degrees of difficulty.
I hired people to work in my business for 30 years, and never once asked one of them what their high school (or college) grades were. It was irrelevant. (Sorry, it was). School is school and work is work - you either have the maturity and the skillsets, or you don't. Most of my hires had not gone to college; some did not even finish high school. But they all had a good work ethic, and not a one of them ever decided "not to show up" after their first day on the job. I had no idea whether they could write a complete sentence or not.
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Originally Posted by inged
I meant I want to hire high school students and have them not go to college, instead opting for work full time.
I wish you luck. If they have all the A's you seem to want, I should expect they'd be able to get a scholarship to most any college they like. Why should they go to work for YOU???
The last kid I know who went for a job right after high school got into a welding position but quit after 2 weeks because it was "too hard." Oh wait, he never actually quit, he just decided to stop showing up. The next job he got was pulling packages for Fed Ex but got mad because he didn't get overtime for working on holidays (he was part time).
I think maturity can be a big issue for hiring this age group (17-18).
I hired people to work in my business for 30 years, and never once asked one of them what their high school (or college) grades were. It was irrelevant. (Sorry, it was). School is school and work is work -
The problem with that is it is much more efficient to judge grades then work performance as not all employers want to talk to one another.
Nor'Eastah makes a great point. I've known people who didn't go to college, had C's in high school, but excelled in the workplace. Anyone getting A's is not likely to take an entry level job and stay there for a few years.
If teachers grade on a curve, which they often do, a child in a Chicago school getting an A would probably get a C in the school my kids attended. You can't guarantee you'll be pulling from the same school districts. Unless you're in the middle of a major city, I wouldn't count on an A equaling an A.
I would target local kids who are in vocational schools or community colleges looking for part time work instead.
Not knowing what your business is, unless you have a path for them to grow and be developed into higher positions making better money, it sort of feels like slave labor to me.
Well I could probably give them a test or something as an entrance exam to correct for that.
Are there any established standards out there? I can always write my own, but that takes more effort.
I hired people to work in my business for 30 years, and never once asked one of them what their high school (or college) grades were. It was irrelevant. (Sorry, it was). School is school and work is work - you either have the maturity and the skillsets, or you don't. Most of my hires had not gone to college; some did not even finish high school. But they all had a good work ethic, and not a one of them ever decided "not to show up" after their first day on the job. I had no idea whether they could write a complete sentence or not.
I wish you luck. If they have all the A's you seem to want, I should expect they'd be able to get a scholarship to most any college they like. Why should they go to work for YOU???
You can get good grades and still not enjoy going to school.
It wouldn't be called an entrance exam, it would be a proficiency test. And what it includes depends on what they're doing. Are they working with numbers? Is it a call center where they should know how to read quickly and spell correctly? Think about the skills needed and put together a test around those skills. If it takes more effort, isn't that your job?
What is the job, what does it pay, and what's your ideal applicant profile?
It's a 4-6 year path. I haven't decided exactly what the years will be yet, but I think it will just play itself out over time. The goal is to take either high school or junior high students, have them start out part-time first to prove their "work ethic" and eventually develop them enough to be a manager when they graduate high school.
I think that will make students more interested in doing well in school because there will be a clear line between doing well in school and having success.
I want to take students who might not love school or have great grades starting out, but could do well if they fully applied themselves.
The beginning of the path would pay about $12-$15 per hour and the manager position at the end would pay between $100 G to $150 G per year. The idea is to underpay them up front to earn value when their professional skills are uncertain, but make sure I retain them long-term when I am positive they are assets.
The ideal applicant is a connected person in the community to make business deals easier, someone who can handle private info, who has an interesting personality, who has their own brain and can control impulses, and who I can brainstorm with for ideas and is willing to go out on a limb.
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