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Here's another take why H-1B is bad for America and eventually Silicon Valley will pay a penalty for importing labor whether it's through Trump or through taxation.
A lot of H-1Bs are brought into the country to fill a salary requirement or sometimes a niche, rarely the case.
Say Microsoft or Facebook wants 2,000 H-1Bs, usually for support or backoffice duties such as processing data or coding low level programming jobs.
All these H-1Bs from India have college degrees, because India subsidizes education and all of them don't mind a $45k - 60k pay to work here for a year and send the money back to India and they can live like very well to do since many Indian consulting companies help these workers dodge taxes by paying many in offshore accounts and they can cash out.
How can any American college kids compete when they have a $120-200k student loan? Good STEM colleges aren't cheap. You look at any Tech college tuition is in the mid 30s to 40s.
Silicon Valley is doing a terrible disservice to the American people by hiring foreigners to do the work that often goes to young Americans.
We can't compete against foreigners because colleges are pure profit centers because government guaranteed loan just like Obamacare made healthcare more expensive because government subsidies allows companies to push base cost up.
Recently tech companies are mad at Trump because the 7 nation ban prevented many of their H-1Bs from coming into America. Indians getting more expensive so they are moving on to the middle east to find cheaper labor.
I applaud you for helping people see the problem.
Sadly I've been repeating this mantra ad nausem, and no one listens.
Don't you know that you are the one that's being depended on to pay for everyone else's career, children, healthcare, etc?
The younger generations have one HELL of a challenge ahead of them.
What's sad is that Trump has affirmed the problem of H-1B which will mostly help the younger people that are opposing him.
My company electric utility has employed 100's of H1b's mostly from India they got a black eye from it a few years ago because being regulated they let most of them go it was brought up my local state regulator what I heard, but a few years later they were back again. Some of the H1B's had gotten citizenship and ended up being managers I heard one of the Indian managers had put most of his personal family members in supervisor roles unknowingly to upper management who didn't speak their language he was let go along with most of the H1B's. Now days most of them are here on project work once the project is over they are gone I know we have lot of remote workers who work in India. I would be surprised that Trumps EO will have much effect on H1B's I think the news from Microsoft and FB are politically driving not real world impacts.
H-1B needs to be seriously reduced. Business in this nation needs to employ Americans first. Other people in other nations can build their own businesses. The argument is that they can't find Americans to fill the jobs, which is an absolute lie. Foreign workers work for less. But you can't strengthen a nation on abandoning its people in favor of foreigners who have neither ties to nor love for America.
This has been going on for the last 16-17 years under the Bush and Obama administration. When the unemployment rate was high, these American companies were outsourcing jobs overseas or hiring H1B's here and none of these Presidents or their administrations spoke out against it. In fact, they promoted it. Trump has been the first President to really even address these measures. Any time, someone tried to address this in the past, the media and financial guru's on television would immediately criticize them for promoting 'protectionism" and how it was bad for free trade.
Now it's nice to see a President call out corporate greed. The H-1B loophole is just another mechanism to promote corporate greed because they can hire people for the half the wages. It's no different than companies hiring illegals from Mexico to save on labor. Same concept! They need to come down on the H-1B fast. We will creates hundreds of thousands of new jobs for Americans if they did this.
I have a huge problem with using the loophole in the H-1B law to replace full time employees with H-1B contractors for less money. If they were full timers, that would be illegal. That needs to stop immediately. Any corporation caught doing it should be slammed financially. Like 10 years pay to any citizen who got ejected from their job and replace by the Tata contractor and a $1 million per incident fine for Tata. An H-1B has to be an employee like anyone else. Put Tata and Infosys out of business.
You make it seem like this is rare thing. They ALL do this. All of the big name companies engage in this practice. They don't hire full time workers instead opting to employ contractors from "consulting" companies and pay them low wages. This is the loophole all of these companies fear Trump coming down upon.
There would be no need for H1B visas if american workers would work. American workers are just a bunch of lazy people who want CEO wages for doing slack work.
I have this in a frame on my wall as a reminder of why the company is succeeding where many others hare failing. I'm sure some of you will recognize it: "The truth? You don't want the truth. You want to hear that Americans are better than anybody else. They're kicking our butts, that ain't luck. There's your truth. Sure, the great old American do-or-die spirit. Yeah, it's alive. But they've got it. I tell you, we'd better get it back. We'd better get it back damn fast. Instead, we're strutting around telling ourselves how great we are. "
What you are really saying is American workers have self-respect and are not slaves. The reason you like H1-B workers is because they are slaves and can't fight back. They will work 80 hours a week and sleep under their desk and work weekends. Their visa is being sponsored so they have no choice but to be a slave until they get their Green Card. That's what you really mean. They will delay having children. They have no social life outside of work. They don't exercise or get a chance to be healthy. You don't care about any of that. You just want slaves and if they aren't slaves then they are "lazy" in your opinion.
The problem isn't Americans, the problem is the rest of the world. In other countries, workers especially lower payed and blue collar workers are dehumanized and the managers feel that is appropriate. Only in America does a waiter or waitress get treated with some level of respect because our society tries to show that everyone matters and we value people regardless of their economic level. That isn't the case in Asia and many parts of your Europe.
Look at countries like Pakistan, and China were chlld labor and child slavery though indentured servitude still exists. Americans are civil people. They have their issues but they aren't animals like you see in some of these foreign countries who have no problem making small children engage in heavy labor for essentially no pay.
What you are really saying is American workers have self-respect and are not slaves. The reason you like H1-B workers is because they are slaves and can't fight back. They will work 80 hours a week and sleep under their desk and work weekends. Their visa is being sponsored so they have no choice but to be a slave until they get their Green Card. That's what you really mean. They will delay having children. They have no social life outside of work. They don't exercise or get a chance to be healthy. You don't care about any of that. You just want slaves and if they aren't slaves then they are "lazy" in your opinion.
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That's why you have all of the who's who in tech opposing Trump on the 7 nation ban. They have started to bring muslims from those countries because Indians are getting expensive. It has nothing to do with all the liberal antics with protecting refugees. Microsoft had almost 80 people affected they were trying to sneak through Canada. Silicon valley employs tons of lobbyists and lawyers to sue to get their way and use liberal protesters to make their case look politically correct.
if we are forced to hire mediocre talent, they'd get a mediocre salary
Please, we were not born yesterday. If given the option to pay half of the same labor costs by hiring foreign workers, you will do so every time. You can spin any excuse you want about there not being enough Americans to fill those jobs but no one is buying that any longer. Trump is closing down your loophole and you'll be forced to hiring Americans.
The gravy train stops. This is good for Americans. Don't worry, you'll still make plenty of money but at least now other Americans will too.
Last edited by azriverfan.; 02-11-2017 at 11:41 PM..
You make it seem like this is rare thing. They ALL do this. All of the big name companies engage in this practice. They don't hire full time workers instead opting to employ contractors from "consulting" companies and pay them low wages. This is the loophole all of these companies fear Trump coming down upon.
Where did I ever write that corporations using Indian H-1B contractors to replace US citizen workers exploiting a loophole in the law about replacing employees with H-1B employees is a rare thing? I see it every day. The worst violators are our quasi monopolies. The big cable companies. The big cellular/phone companies. The utilities.
If we just kill the contractor loophole, that would go a long way to stopping the abuse.
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