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Yeah, I know. The problem is my weird principles; it feels borderline dishonest of me to withhold information if they ask. Maybe they won't ask (but I feel it's something most people want to know). Maybe that's something to save for the next interview. It's been a long time since I've looked for work, so I feel like I am starting out again.
I kind of have strong doubts there will be a miracle and things will turn around. All of this is just so bizarre that I halfway wonder if this is a plan to force us tenured people out so cheaper labor can be hired.
IMO, I don't think you should tell them. All kinds of things could happen, or not happen. You don't really know. You could do the interview, and then the interview has to be reviewed by 5 people, so it has to go through the pipeline, and then you have the face to face interview, and THAT has to be discussed and reviewed, and meanwhile, maybe you'll interview with 2 or 3 other places...or not. It could all very well take a whole month to get through the complete interview process and actually get an offer.
I would think that by the token of the company you interviewed for is looking out for their best interests...they would expect that YOU would be looking out for YOUR best interests too.
I posted a little about what's going on where I work in other threads. In a nutshell, we have leadership changes which led to workplace changes/process changes, which lead to a lot of people quitting, and now we are to the point where so many people left we are pretty much hobbled at work. On top of that, employee morale is horrible, revenue is down (and the people who process payments are gone so there is nothing coming in at all). It's a mess.
Management has not communicated at all what they are going to do about any of this. The remaining staff are in the dark. Are we hiring new people? Contractors or consultants to fill the gaps? Are we going to stop this path of extreme change and go back to what worked before? Or do they expect us to fill in the gaps (which it's looking like now)? Etc.
Until I know what management plans to do, I am on the fence about leaving. There is a board meeting soon and I think the employee exodus and morale situation (and certainly the halt of revenue) will be discussed and they will either come up with a plan or not. What they decide will determine what if I stay or if I switch to being more serious about looking.
In the meantime, I already updated my resume and have started applying to a few jobs as of last week. One reached out to me. I was surprised because I just applied last night (but they have been looking for a month).
They want to interview me on Monday. It's just a phone interview, so it's not much and it may go no where. I am not sure if it will come up or not, but if it does, should I mention that I have not yet made up my mind about leaving my current job? That I am just considering leaving and I was intrigued by the job posted and wanted to learn more about it.
In my head, I know I won't be able to leave until after the board meeting and then I need two weeks for notice. So at best, I can't start a new job for a month. I rather wait until April, but at this point things have deteriorated so much than I threw that idea out the window. I won't go into the details, but they want the IT person (who is leaving) to give us a one hour training on database management and expect us non-techies to fill in for him. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I could just say that I can't start for a month, but that implies I will start in a month and I don't want to leave anyone in a lurch.
I didn't expect anyone to reach out to me so quickly. In the past, when I've applied for work, it always took a week or so for anyone to reply. But that was during the great recession. I might have to stop applying for jobs until after the board meeting if this is the way things are now.
Your current employer has more or less turned belly up. I would take the new job and not look back. You don't owe them a few weeks to try to figure it out. If the new job is otherwise satisfactory just go on and jump.
I posted a little about what's going on where I work in other threads. In a nutshell, we have leadership changes which led to workplace changes/process changes, which lead to a lot of people quitting, and now we are to the point where so many people left we are pretty much hobbled at work. On top of that, employee morale is horrible, revenue is down (and the people who process payments are gone so there is nothing coming in at all). It's a mess.
Management has not communicated at all what they are going to do about any of this. The remaining staff are in the dark. Are we hiring new people? Contractors or consultants to fill the gaps? Are we going to stop this path of extreme change and go back to what worked before? Or do they expect us to fill in the gaps (which it's looking like now)? Etc.
Until I know what management plans to do, I am on the fence about leaving. There is a board meeting soon and I think the employee exodus and morale situation (and certainly the halt of revenue) will be discussed and they will either come up with a plan or not. What they decide will determine what if I stay or if I switch to being more serious about looking.
In the meantime, I already updated my resume and have started applying to a few jobs as of last week. One reached out to me. I was surprised because I just applied last night (but they have been looking for a month).
They want to interview me on Monday. It's just a phone interview, so it's not much and it may go no where. I am not sure if it will come up or not, but if it does, should I mention that I have not yet made up my mind about leaving my current job? That I am just considering leaving and I was intrigued by the job posted and wanted to learn more about it.
In my head, I know I won't be able to leave until after the board meeting and then I need two weeks for notice. So at best, I can't start a new job for a month. I rather wait until April, but at this point things have deteriorated so much than I threw that idea out the window. I won't go into the details, but they want the IT person (who is leaving) to give us a one hour training on database management and expect us non-techies to fill in for him. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I could just say that I can't start for a month, but that implies I will start in a month and I don't want to leave anyone in a lurch.
I didn't expect anyone to reach out to me so quickly. In the past, when I've applied for work, it always took a week or so for anyone to reply. But that was during the great recession. I might have to stop applying for jobs until after the board meeting if this is the way things are now.
Don't say you aren't sure. That makes you sound less interested in the position. You aren't being "dishonest" by omitting this, since you are still in the interview stage. No legitimate employer would interpret an interview as a "pre-acceptance" of a job!
Just go through the process, and don't overthink it. Give an approximate start date you have in mind, along with how much notice you'll need prior to starting.
Yeah, I know. The problem is my weird principles; it feels borderline dishonest of me to withhold information if they ask. Maybe they won't ask (but I feel it's something most people want to know). Maybe that's something to save for the next interview. It's been a long time since I've looked for work, so I feel like I am starting out again.
I kind of have strong doubts there will be a miracle and things will turn around. All of this is just so bizarre that I halfway wonder if this is a plan to force us tenured people out so cheaper labor can be hired.
I would say, don't worry so much about these issues. Just go through the interview process. Only when you have an offer in hand do you really have to decide how to respond. Until then, everything is tentative, and everyone knows that. (Think about it this way, if this were not the case, then no one would ever be able to negotiate salary, and it would be a race to the bottom...)
If they ask you, point-blank, if you are "sure", then say you believe the opportunity is better than your current job, but would like to learn more. Then simply continue the interview.
As a follow up, the interview went well. They liked me and I think the job is awesome because they need someone to come in and grow things and that's what I do best (and like doing). Unfortunately, it pays $15K less than what I make now and it's a two hour commute (not fully remote, just two days a week). I am a bit bummed, but not too much so since at least I am working and looking for a new job. That takes a lot of pressure off and allows me to be selective.
As a follow up, the interview went well. They liked me and I think the job is awesome because they need someone to come in and grow things and that's what I do best (and like doing). Unfortunately, it pays $15K less than what I make now and it's a two hour commute (not fully remote, just two days a week). I am a bit bummed, but not too much so since at least I am working and looking for a new job. That takes a lot of pressure off and allows me to be selective.
If you think it's 'awesome' then I would pursue it.
You basically said one job sucks so bad that the situation is untenable, and one job is awesome. But that may just be you talking...
The interviews I've had the feeling I leave with is, it might be better it might not, or ... it's something different from what I'm doing now.
They want to interview me on Monday. It's just a phone interview, so it's not much and it may go no where. I am not sure if it will come up or not, but if it does, should I mention that I have not yet made up my mind about leaving my current job? That I am just considering leaving and I was intrigued by the job posted and wanted to learn more about it.
Hell no. You never tell your employer anything like that.
You're a company man all the way. You're looking to advance and you can make great contributions to the company due to your experience and expertise.
Then you go job hunting and you get away from this dog as fast as possible.
You owe these people nothing and they would throw you under the bus in a heartbeat if it suited them.
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