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Old 11-19-2013, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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What if the dress code called for something you did not agree with?
Then you don't take the job, it's not that difficult to figure out.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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I've even seen the head wear in hospitals...and frankly, it's not hygenic. It is as dirty as wearing long sleeves around patients.
Would you want someone with long hair leaning over you? I am sure they wash their hair, but see the connection?
How stupid it is, that anyone would ever think it's about discrimination, when it's about cleanliness...how narcissistic and self centered.
I wear a scarf and work with patients. My scarf is tucked inside my uniform top. It never touches patients. I clean it like I clean my clothes. Why would a head scarf be less clean than any other clothing? What makes it not hygienic? I see some people with smelly, dirty hair working with people. Their hair doesn't touch people but according to your theory these people shouldn't wear their hair because it is dirty and will contaminate patients in a hospital. Even if my scarf was dirty, it doesn't touch patients. Hospital workers uniforms touch patient's all the time. What guarantee is there that their uniforms are clean?
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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I love it, everybody in America has all kinds of *rights* they want to exercise at every opportunity. The right to a job, the right to a home, the right to wear whatever kind of piercing/getup/tattoo, and they expect all of us to do homage to their individuality.

Not.

These people can file lawsuits till the cows come home. That doesn't mean they have a case worth hearing or a chance of winning.

In this world if you want to make a living anywhere you have to kowtow to management and present a persona that says "I'm here to do business and make you money". That's all there is. Business is not about individual righteousness, it's about getting things done and making money for the company--on the company's terms.

If you don't like it find another company. If you can't find a company that fits your individuality, create your own company. Don't go whining to the legal system about how your rights have been violated and life isn't fair.
Do they serve double bacon burgers?
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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I've even seen the head wear in hospitals...and frankly, it's not hygenic. It is as dirty as wearing long sleeves around patients.
Would you want someone with long hair leaning over you? I am sure they wash their hair, but see the connection?
How stupid it is, that anyone would ever think it's about discrimination, when it's about cleanliness...how narcissistic and self centered.
I'd rather have someone with a hijab leaning over me than someone with dirty hair - hijab is as good as a hairnet and as clean as any other clothing. What's next, bald naked nurses?
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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I love it, everybody in America has all kinds of *rights* they want to exercise at every opportunity. The right to a job, the right to a home, the right to wear whatever kind of piercing/getup/tattoo, and they expect all of us to do homage to their individuality.

Not.

These people can file lawsuits till the cows come home. That doesn't mean they have a case worth hearing or a chance of winning.

In this world if you want to make a living anywhere you have to kowtow to management and present a persona that says "I'm here to do business and make you money". That's all there is. Business is not about individual righteousness, it's about getting things done and making money for the company--on the company's terms.

If you don't like it find another company. If you can't find a company that fits your individuality, create your own company. Don't go whining to the legal system about how your rights have been violated and life isn't fair.
What a load of bull.

If that's part of their religion, then McDonald's should respect their rights. That's discrimination.

And they should know better. They could have said that they chose to go with another candidate to avoid a lawsuit.
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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It's a bit ironic these women have almost no rights in the Middle East and they are suing over a head scarf wow.
In many cases, these women are American. You wouldn't have much rights in the middle east either. But you'd probably sue if you felt your rights in the US were compromised.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Ontario
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well... so what? are these people owed a job by McDonalds regardless of what they wear? There are dress codes everywhere. Why should they be able to refuse an employer's dress code then have their complaints upheld when the employer rejects them for it? They can always look elsewhere for another job, and if they can't find one anywhere else, then someone has to change. Do they have to change, or does society have to change to accommodate them? It seems that typically it's the few complainers who get their way, not necessarily because they're right, but because the other side is terrified of losing face; they don't want to be accused of anything in the eyes of the public. People shouldn't automatically get their way just because they're a so-called "minority", it can't be one rule for them and another for the rest of us.

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Old 01-25-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: SC
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Two Muslim women said they were denied jobs at a McDonald's restaurant in Dearborn because they wore Islamic headscarves, according to a discrimination lawsuit filed Thursday in Wayne County Circuit Court.

Toi Whitfield, 20, of Detroit and Quiana Pugh, 25, of Dearborn said they applied for jobs at the McDonald's on Ford Road in the eastern section of Dearborn but were told by the store manager, "You're not going to work here if you don't remove" the headscarf, known as a hijab.

McDonald's wouldn't hire women with hijabs, suit says | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...WS02/807250356 - broken link)
McDonald's should adapt a uniform that takes in consideration those in the community they want to serve. The muslim population in Dearborn is not insignificant. If they want to serve it, they will have to change.

And maybe the local mosque(s) can get together with fast food business leaders to see if they can come to an agreement on a head dress that suits both their needs.
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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If that is the ONLY reason they wouldn't hire them, yes that's discrimination.

Hijabs are washed and cleaned just like clothes are. And they could easily wear their scarf with the uniform, it's just a t-shirt with black pants isn't it?
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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long as the head gear doesnt dangle on my pickles or fries who cares,,,
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