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I had to agree to this piece of garbage on an application.
How childish.
Do I smoke? NO.....
They just want to keep their insurance premiums low. Next, they won't hire any coffee drinkers, alcohol consumers (you guys watch out, you're next), obese people. All cause the price of insurance to go up. Yep, that nice glass of wine you have at home can be monitored by a random check at work. That is what they are doing with smoking now. They have random checks and if you have nicotine in your blood, you are out. Doesn't matter if the person smoked at home.
Wait till they go after alcohol, motorcycling, obesity. Brave New World.
I edited out the name of the place...funny it doesn't mention marijuana, but I guess that would fall under the drug screen.
NOTICE OF OUR ANTI-SMOKING AND TOBACCO PRODUCTS POLICY In furtherance of our mission, , LLC () is a smoke and tobacco-free employer. Smoking and use of tobacco products (including cigarettes, pipes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, clove cigarettes and similar products -- collectively, Tobacco Products) are prohibited at all facilities. In addition, employees are prohibited from smoking or otherwise using Tobacco Products at any time while employed by , whether on or off-duty and regardless of whether they are at our facilities or elsewhere. The smelling of smoke or the possession of Tobacco Products will be presumptive evidence that the employee has or intends to violate this policy. Employees who use or possess Tobacco Products or who smell of smoke are subject to discipline, including without limitation, termination of employment If you are a smoker or otherwise use Tobacco Products, do not apply to work at . By signing this application, you are certifying that you are not a smoker or other user of Tobacco Products and that you agree to comply with 's policies relating to smoking and tobacco use while employed by us. You also are certifying that your answers to the following questions are truthful.
What if you didnt smoke when you filled out the app but later became a smoker. Would they fire you for lieing?
This place, and I have interviewed at other places who do the same....will randomly select workers and have them submit to a test.
You won't know when you're going to be picked, so the idea is you have to be clean all the time.
If you started smoking, and got picked for a random test, you'd be terminated. Even if you only smoked at home...they are looking for nicotine in the blood.
The excuse is that nicotine is an addictive substance, but really, so is caffeine. They might claim it's for your own benefit, but we all know they aren't doing this to be nice. They are spending a lot of money in laboratory fees to test people, so the pay off with insurance premiums must be big.
Why don't they just be honest with people and say that? They want us to be honest with them!
It's not that nicotine is addictive. It's because it is linked (for better or worse) to cancer and other chronic health conditions that do cost employers a substantial amount of money, especially if they self-insure.
Also, people who smoke take an average 3-4 smoking breaks a day, which amounts to about an hour of decreased productivity. I can go get a coffee, and continue working at my desk within 1 minute. But smokers are outside for at least 10 minutes each time, and it's usually about 20-25 minutes, when you include getting the cigarette, getting your coat, telling people you're going for a smoke, taking the elevator downstairs, walking outside, etc.
I agree that I don't like "Big Brother" and "Brave New World" stuff. But if you remember correctly, in these stories, it wasn't a private employer breaking into personal lives, but the government. I still have to fall in support of private employers, who are private citizens like all of us, who need to run a business and cut costs where they can, in order to stay in business and pay people, and not lay people off.
In a few states, smokers are a protected class, meaning they cannot be discriminated against. So in those places smoking status is protected just like race, sex, religion, etc. But in the majority of states, it's perfectly legal. I agree that if I were a smoker it would tick me off, but it's still legal.
If you were an employer, like a small business owner, and the government was telling you that you could not hire, or must hire smokers, you'd also think this was the "Brave New World."
It's not that nicotine is addictive. It's because it is linked (for better or worse) to cancer and other chronic health conditions that do cost employers a substantial amount of money, especially if they self-insure.
Also, people who smoke take an average 3-4 smoking breaks a day, which amounts to about an hour of decreased productivity. I can go get a coffee, and continue working at my desk within 1 minute. But smokers are outside for at least 10 minutes each time, and it's usually about 20-25 minutes, when you include getting the cigarette, getting your coat, telling people you're going for a smoke, taking the elevator downstairs, walking outside, etc.
I agree that I don't like "Big Brother" and "Brave New World" stuff. But if you remember correctly, in these stories, it wasn't a private employer breaking into personal lives, but the government. I still have to fall in support of private employers, who are private citizens like all of us, who need to run a business and cut costs where they can, in order to stay in business and pay people, and not lay people off.
In a few states, smokers are a protected class, meaning they cannot be discriminated against. So in those places smoking status is protected just like race, sex, religion, etc. But in the majority of states, it's perfectly legal. I agree that if I were a smoker it would tick me off, but it's still legal.
If you were an employer, like a small business owner, and the government was telling you that you could not hire, or must hire smokers, you'd also think this was the "Brave New World."
Actually, these moves are generated by money interests, not concerns for potential employees' health.
These companies are not paying out lab bills out of the kindness of their hearts and then canning people. Don't say they care about people they haven't even hired...don't even go there.
I don't smoke, but this is the United States of America, and I support the right of an individual to do what they want in their own home. Nicotine is not illegal. So, if you support this, you must support not hiring obese people, people who use alcohol, ad nauseum........so many things can bring about disease.
Yes, companies can do what they like, but it doesn't make it right. And it is creating this horrible work ethic and environment out there.
Most aren't allowing any smoking in their parking lots, let alone cigarette breaks. This has to do with people not being allowed to smoke on their own time at home, etc.
So while you support a company's right to intrude into what someone does at home, I support the individual, because this is what this country was founded on, not the love of money.
I had to agree to this piece of garbage on an application.
How childish.
Do I smoke? NO.....
They just want to keep their insurance premiums low. Next, they won't hire any coffee drinkers, alcohol consumers (you guys watch out, you're next), obese people. All cause the price of insurance to go up. Yep, that nice glass of wine you have at home can be monitored by a random check at work. That is what they are doing with smoking now. They have random checks and if you have nicotine in your blood, you are out. Doesn't matter if the person smoked at home.
Wait till they go after alcohol, motorcycling, obesity. Brave New World.
I edited out the name of the place...funny it doesn't mention marijuana, but I guess that would fall under the drug screen.
NOTICE OF OUR ANTI-SMOKING AND TOBACCO PRODUCTS POLICY In furtherance of our mission, , LLC () is a smoke and tobacco-free employer. Smoking and use of tobacco products (including cigarettes, pipes, cigars, chewing tobacco, snuff, clove cigarettes and similar products -- collectively, Tobacco Products) are prohibited at all facilities. In addition, employees are prohibited from smoking or otherwise using Tobacco Products at any time while employed by , whether on or off-duty and regardless of whether they are at our facilities or elsewhere. The smelling of smoke or the possession of Tobacco Products will be presumptive evidence that the employee has or intends to violate this policy. Employees who use or possess Tobacco Products or who smell of smoke are subject to discipline, including without limitation, termination of employment If you are a smoker or otherwise use Tobacco Products, do not apply to work at . By signing this application, you are certifying that you are not a smoker or other user of Tobacco Products and that you agree to comply with 's policies relating to smoking and tobacco use while employed by us. You also are certifying that your answers to the following questions are truthful.
Apparently, these people have never been to a bowling alley, bingo parlour, casino or bar. You cannot visit any one of these establishments without reeking of cigarette smoke. Moreover, what if your significant other is a smoker - how do you avoid the smell then.
Man these people are mondo unreasonable. There are plenty of ways to smell like smoke without actually smoking. Does that mean also that if you are buying a pipe for your father in law for Christmas and you meet a co-worker at the store who rats on you that you are "in possession of tobacco products?" Give me a break.
I just wouldn't work for a company like this. Sorry.
Apparently, these people have never been to a bowling alley, bingo parlour, casino or bar. You cannot visit any one of these establishments without reeking of cigarette smoke. Moreover, what if your significant other is a smoker - how do you avoid the smell then.
Man these people are mondo unreasonable. There are plenty of ways to smell like smoke without actually smoking. Does that mean also that if you are buying a pipe for your father in law for Christmas and you meet a co-worker at the store who rats on you that you are "in possession of tobacco products?" Give me a break.
I just wouldn't work for a company like this. Sorry.
20yrsinBranson
More and more are doing this...it really isn't about smoking...it is about insurance costs. I read one company saves about $1000 a year per employee by not hiring smokers.
Obesity and alcohol really cause a lot of diseases. Heart disease, stroke, diabetes....really easy to flush out a diabetic with a urine test.
Just wait, it is going to get worse before it gets better.
At my job the smokers used to be able to smoke right outside of the building. Now they have to smoke a certain number of feet away from the building (the company provides umbrellas for them - the umbrellas are in a bin by the back door), or they can smoke closer to the building if they're inside of a vehicle.
HR wants to eventually make this a smoke-free workplace. I don't know if the smokers are going to have to start smoking across the street or what.
Maybe next they'll stop people from bringing in donuts, brownies, cake, etc. Who knows.
In addition, employees are prohibited from smoking or otherwise using Tobacco Products at any time while employed by , whether on or off-duty and regardless of whether they are at our facilities or elsewhere.
Is that even legal?
I’d say don’t work for this company unless you have to, and even if you do, just keep looking.
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