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Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like.
As a result, Vineet said, most Americans are just too expensive to train--despite the Indian IT industry's reputation for having the most exhaustive boot camps in the world. To some extent, he said, students from other highly developed countries fall into the same rut.
Why should you bother to learn anything when you can graduate as an investment banker and make $4 million a year?
And what do the Indians learn? how to read through a step by step guide at a help desk and frustrate callers. They are taught by rote and can't think for themselves. No thanks.
BTW--I don't know a single Six Sigma Black Belt who wasn't born and raised in the US, and I know quite a few of them.
And what do the Indians learn? how to read through a step by step guide at a help desk and frustrate callers. They are taught by rote and can't think for themselves. No thanks.
BTW--I don't know a single Six Sigma Black Belt who wasn't born and raised in the US, and I know quite a few of them.
This is very wrong, and very ignorant. I work with contractors from India on a daily basis and they are brilliant people, and willing to work harder than most Americans I know.
Just because you didn't like a few people working on a help desk doesn't mean you should judge an entire country by that...
I was in a 3000 person I/T department at a major company for over five years. I worked with a variety of cultures. None of them were better than the other, and in all honesty the two most brilliant people I worked with were US and Chinese. The Indians were nothing above average, and didn't work any harder than anyone else. Many of them had a hard time thinking outside the box or coming up with solutions. They could write code, so what? What they were unable to do was look at the big picture as an application architect or figure out the solution when there was a problem while compiling code. Of the 300 people I worked directly with, about 30% were Indian. Only one of them was any good at resolving unanticipated glitches. They were trained to do things in a certain way, and when that way didn't work they had no idea what to do.
I was in a 3000 person I/T department at a major company for over five years. I worked with a variety of cultures. None of them were better than the other, and in all honesty the two most brilliant people I worked with were US and Chinese. The Indians were nothing above average, and didn't work any harder than anyone else. Many of them had a hard time thinking outside the box or coming up with solutions. They could write code, so what? What they were unable to do was look at the big picture as an application architect or figure out the solution when there was a problem while compiling code. Of the 300 people I worked directly with, about 30% were Indian. Only one of them was any good at resolving unanticipated glitches. They were trained to do things in a certain way, and when that way didn't work they had no idea what to do.
It's not ignorant, it's the truth.
I still see it as a lavish generalization. So out of 90 Indians, only one was, shall we say, "capably innovative." And what was the ethnic breakdown of the other 180+ workers and how many out of any of those groups met the criteria by which you assessed the one capable Indian? Just curious because my long experience knowing and working with East Indians has given me a totally different perspective.
I was in a 3000 person I/T department at a major company for over five years. I worked with a variety of cultures. None of them were better than the other, and in all honesty the two most brilliant people I worked with were US and Chinese. The Indians were nothing above average, and didn't work any harder than anyone else. Many of them had a hard time thinking outside the box or coming up with solutions. They could write code, so what? What they were unable to do was look at the big picture as an application architect or figure out the solution when there was a problem while compiling code. Of the 300 people I worked directly with, about 30% were Indian. Only one of them was any good at resolving unanticipated glitches. They were trained to do things in a certain way, and when that way didn't work they had no idea what to do.
It's not ignorant, it's the truth.
Actually it is very ignorant to judge an entire ethnic group by what 90 people have done.
Actually it is very ignorant to judge an entire ethnic group by what 90 people have done.
I have to agree. You shouldn't judge a whole country of people based on your experience in one company, and dealing with 90 people. Every country will have intelligent people and average workers, as well as poor workers, but it doesn't give us any right to categorize all "Indian" workers as people who can't think for themselves and can only follow customer service scripts. The fact that your previous company had 3,000 workers is irrelevent to how a person performs.
None for nothing, I think Annerk's comments do come off as a little arrogant at times as she tends to bring up how big her previous companies were, or what she's accomplished, and who she knows. You sound like you have been around enough and have solid experience, but that should also tell you that your experiences do not speak for all Indian workers in the world.
I still see it as a lavish generalization. So out of 90 Indians, only one was, shall we say, "capably innovative." And what was the ethnic breakdown of the other 180+ workers and how many out of any of those groups met the criteria by which you assessed the one capable Indian? Just curious because my long experience knowing and working with East Indians has given me a totally different perspective.
Approximately 40% US born and educated of a variety of races, including white, black, Latino, Korean, and Asian Indian descent--the American born and educated person of Asian Indian descent that I worked directly with was quite bright and a team lead (programmer with project management skills). 20% Chinese, and 10% everything else including Brit, Russian/eastern European, Latin American, and a smattering of others.
Actually it is very ignorant to judge an entire ethnic group by what 90 people have done.
No more than it is to judge them as superior because you've worked with a handful of consultants.
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