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Also, I'll add that it seems like we Americans work much more and logner than some other countries and we are encouraged to do so and take less time off.
For instance in some European countries, they get as much as a month and some change for "holiday" time, longer maternity leaves and their societies encourage leisure time and enjoyment. Here, we are lucky to get 2 weeks vacation time and 6 weeks maternity leave (which is nothing really). We pay out the nose for health insurance and a lot of companies are just very demanding of your time. It's like you shouldn't have a life outside of the office.
We work ourselves to death here. You ever watch the movie Sicko by Michael Moore (highly recommend)? He touches on this.
I stay until the job is done. I'm salary, and I don't get paid extra for staying late. Then again, that's why the represented folks picket and grieve when I attempt to move a box down the hallway that I requested to be moved 5 days prior.
You mean a job ISN'T an economic transaction? Too bad you settled for poor terms; that you don't get paid for staying late is your problem and is hardly a sensible argument that others shouldn't be.
If a box wasn't moved it's because someone in mangement dropped the ball; nobody minds moving a box when told to. I've run jobs, I know the story.
I believe people feel trapped in their jobs because the economy is so bad right now. And the bean counting metrics mongers have put us all over the edge.
The person who talked about the glassblower had it right. In Europe, he would be treated like an artist and encouraged to innovate and do his best work. In America, he would be on disciplinary steps because it takes him 23 seconds longer than average to complete a piece. You choose what behaviors you want to drive by the metrics you create. If you want a dedicated, engaged work force striving to get the job done.....you don't treat them like errant children.
American workers are intelligent and they will find ways to keep themselves entertained at work. Usually by subverting your metrics systems. Especially easy to do since corporate America doesn't want to pay for real managers, only admins who can run reports and read the numbers.
You mean a job ISN'T an economic transaction? Too bad you settled for poor terms; that you don't get paid for staying late is your problem and is hardly a sensible argument that others shouldn't be.
If a box wasn't moved it's because someone in mangement dropped the ball; nobody minds moving a box when told to. I've run jobs, I know the story.
The box wasn't moved because the Union contract requires 2 persons to move any box over 20lbs. It's not like it's moved by hand either, they use dollies... but the fact that we're charging 2 man hours for each box is what makes it take so long.
My job is an economic transaction, but people need to realize that they do have an impact on whether or not a company succeeds. If it does not succeed, you just eliminated your own job. I settled for the management track with bonus and stock options. Represented folks settled for .50 cent increases when contracts are renegotiated.
I'll take working late over a .50 cent raise any day of the year.
The box wasn't moved because the Union contract requires 2 persons to move any box over 20lbs. It's not like it's moved by hand either, they use dollies... but the fact that we're charging 2 man hours for each box is what makes it take so long.
My job is an economic transaction, but people need to realize that they do have an impact on whether or not a company succeeds. If it does not succeed, you just eliminated your own job. I settled for the management track with bonus and stock options. Represented folks settled for .50 cent increases when contracts are renegotiated.
I'll take working late over a .50 cent raise any day of the year.
So you're complaining that it costs money to move the box. Well management made the deal now they have to live with it. Maybe they need to bargain better; the contractors I bargained with were alot tougher and we never never had such work rules. They must be better managers than the guys you work for.
If you're content then stop complaining. You crow about the benefits of not being paid overtime but then complain that those who don't get those benefits want to be.....paid overtime. That makes no sense.
I have a job requiring "walking on eggs". In a long-term care/rehab facility.
One of the aide's was suspended last week, because he was merely pulling up a diaper on a woman who was walking in one of the halls. She accused him of raping him. Automatic suspension.
All it takes is for a patient to accuse you of touching them inappropriately or making sexual advances to them, and it's the rule in these places, you're suspended.
And who do they listen to? The Patients. And you can't bring a defense attorney along with you when you meet with the Administrator or Director of Nurses. What kind of court of law is this?
Another aide was suspended because a patient in one of the neighboring rooms, suspected he was abusing a patient, even though he wasn't a witness. Sometimes, I've tried to change someone's diaper, and they scream out in pain, just rolling over in bed. Someone in another room might suspect otherwise, that patient is being abused.
And besides that, a myriad of state and federal nitpicky rules that would drive a sane person insane. And with cutbacks in Medicare/Medicaid, I've now got a 25 patient load at night. Nurses with 40 patients a piece. And you've got only 10 minutes to answer a call light! Am I superman?
Don't like it, find something else? Oh please! We all know that the jobs in this field that get advertised in the paper are generally worse than the job you'll leave! I'm near 60, haven't got the time to do a career change now.
And with age discrimination, what would be my chances of employment switching to physical therapy after two years of schooling?
So you're complaining that it costs money to move the box. Well management made the deal now they have to live with it. Maybe they need to bargain better; the contractors I bargained with were alot tougher and we never never had such work rules. They must be better managers than the guys you work for.
If you're content then stop complaining. You crow about the benefits of not being paid overtime but then complain that those who don't get those benefits want to be.....paid overtime. That makes no sense.
Thankfully the contract is up this year, so there will be re-negotiation. At least it will be near winter time so there wont be as many picketers this time around. I gotta ask the question though... why do represented workers need to hate on "management" as you keep bringing up over and over again?
As for the overtime, you either didn't read what I wrote, or you like distorting the truth. My complaint was that folks left at 3PM instead of staying to answer questions during a security investigation.
Thankfully the contract is up this year, so there will be re-negotiation. At least it will be near winter time so there wont be as many picketers this time around. I gotta ask the question though... why do represented workers need to hate on "management" as you keep bringing up over and over again?
Interesting your hoping the other workers where you work don't do well in their negotiations. The fact that you seem to wish them ill should tell you why some workers dislike management. The obvious contempt you have for them should clue you in too. If you're perceptive.
I don't know though what you mean by my "hating" on management "over and over". I think you mistake a lack of servility with hostility. And like I said I was in mangement myself.
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As for the overtime, you either didn't read what I wrote, or you like distorting the truth. My complaint was that folks left at 3PM instead of staying to answer questions during a security investigation.
You implied they were derelict in their duty because they didn't stay; I replied that if it were really important they would've been payed to stay. I guess it wasn't that important.
Certainly you're not implying that people should stay at work without compensation? That sounds like socialism. No true conservative could expect anyone to do something without compensation.
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