Which countries have boomed in the last 20 years, which have declined/stayed the same? (unemployed, wages)

[MalaMan]

Originally Posted by ChikidII

In Latin America, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Panama and Colombia are doing much better.

Although Brazil still has a lot of crime, it has been declining.

Crime is still a problem in Brazil, but the biggest "shame" of the country, that are the "crime-controlled areas" in the city of Rio de Janeiro are about to come to an end. Most of those areas were taken back by the government already. Before 2014, I believe there will be no more "crime-controlled areas" in Rio, and therefore in Brazil (since those areas ONLY exist in the city of Rio de Janeiro).


And besides crime, the Brazilian economy is booming. Brazil is now the sixth largest economy of the world. The GDP per capita has improved a lot. And poverty is being curbed, and social inequality being reduced, with a improvement in the GINI coefficient.

[MalaMan]

Originally Posted by ChikidII

Yes they are socialist, but I disagree with certain aspects. Kirchner's there is a lot of corruption from them and Correa has gone a little too far. I have family in Ecuador who voted for him, but now he is gaining way too much power, putting individuals on a black list who are against his party. My cousin specifically, who is not allowed to be hired by any company or organization in the country as she has become vocal about being against him.

IMO the best from that batch is Lula, who was terrific. The others have done a good job of helping the economy, but some of their actions poltically have been dicatorish or corrupt...

I agree that Correa and Morales are a little "radical" in some aspects, and have some authoritarian aspects... I wish they could be a little more "moderate" like the others.

But all of them did a good job regarding the economy...

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by MalaMan

Oh, wait... I'm talking about SOUTH American. Not sure about Central America...

Panama seems to be doing much better, everywhere else is not so hot.

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by MalaMan

Crime is still a problem in Brazil, but the biggest "shame" of the country, that are the "crime-controlled areas" in the city of Rio de Janeiro are about to come to an end. Most of those areas were taken back by the government already. Before 2014, I believe there will be no more "crime-controlled areas" in Rio, and therefore in Brazil (since those areas ONLY exist in the city of Rio de Janeiro).


And besides crime, the Brazilian economy is booming. Brazil is now the sixth largest economy of the world. The GDP per capita has improved a lot. And poverty is being curbed, and social inequality being reduced, with a improvement in the GINI coefficient.

Hey Malaman, is the government still destroying the slums? I once read about how many slums in Sao Paulo have been cleared, which is probably a good thing.

[ChikidII]

Originally Posted by MalaMan

Crime is still a problem in Brazil, but the biggest "shame" of the country, that are the "crime-controlled areas" in the city of Rio de Janeiro are about to come to an end. Most of those areas were taken back by the government already. Before 2014, I believe there will be no more "crime-controlled areas" in Rio, and therefore in Brazil (since those areas ONLY exist in the city of Rio de Janeiro).


And besides crime, the Brazilian economy is booming. Brazil is now the sixth largest economy of the world. The GDP per capita has improved a lot. And poverty is being curbed, and social inequality being reduced, with a improvement in the GINI coefficient.

Oh I am not denying that Brazil is booming, in fact I have nothing but praises for that country and would love to do work there one day.

But fact remains this are some issues dealing with crime, and they are being fixed, but regardless they are still issues at present. I was referring to someone earlier who said Brazil was in the decline because of crime, and I was just stating that crime while still bad, is declining.

[MalaMan]

Originally Posted by Antonio84

Hey Malaman, is the government still destroying the slums? I once read about how many slums in Sao Paulo have been cleared, which is probably a good thing.

Some favelas (slums) are being replaced by apartment buildings for the families who lived there. The social program "Minha Casa Minha Vida" is part of this.

But not all favelas are going to disappear. Specially in Rio de Janeiro, where the favelas are located in hills and mountains. Some favelas there tend to become regular neighborhoods in the near future, but without being "leveled down" and totally rebuilt. Instead, they will more likely become something similar to a "Casbah" of an Arab city, or something similar to the houses in a Greek island.

[LondonAreaWeatherSummary]

Originally Posted by ChikidII

Yes they are socialist, but I disagree with certain aspects. Kirchner's there is a lot of corruption from them and Correa has gone a little too far. I have family in Ecuador who voted for him, but now he is gaining way too much power, putting individuals on a black list who are against his party. My cousin specifically, who is not allowed to be hired by any company or organization in the country as she has become vocal about being against him.

IMO the best from that batch is Lula, who was terrific. The others have done a good job of helping the economy, but some of their actions poltically have been dicatorish or corrupt...

They are also nationalists, kicking undesirable foreign interests out of their countries.

Socialism by itself wont achieve anything if you have traitor govt's beholden to globalist interest's in power, like in the US and Europe, you need national socialists (not necessarily in the 1930s German vein! -although i would say from a purely economic perspective, much was achieved in that era in Germany)

I guess on the flipside of that, Mugabe would probably also constitute a national socialist, and yet supposedly ruined his country, although Im skeptical about that as the only coverage we see from BBC/ITV is horridly anti-mugabe.

[LondonAreaWeatherSummary]

Originally Posted by MalaMan

I agree that Correa and Morales are a little "radical" in some aspects, and have some authoritarian aspects... I wish they could be a little more "moderate" like the others.

But all of them did a good job regarding the economy...

Its worth mentioning though that after c.1998 it was a very low base to rise from...If the US simply defaulted as many South American countries did and wiped 25%+ off its GDP, GDP would soon rise as it would start from a low base, even if it took years to recover to its pre-collapse level.
Russia also defaulted and experienced similar growth despite a capitalistic tax regime (flat tax rate of 13%) and widespread corruption. Achieving growth after a default is far easier than achieving growth without accepting writedowns, as Iceland has found out. Maybe someone can post some charts, but i doubt Brazil etc stand out compared to other developing nations over the last 20 years. In fact Zimbabwe is the only one I can think of that has not.

[zinglicious]

The countries that have boomed from the last 20 years, not just selected cities, would be China, and South Korea as it is measurable by thier worldwide presences from thier products and changing landscape of their economy, infrastructure from buildings, highways and internet across the country. And if the cities booms are taken into account , it would be Dubai, Shanghai, Shenzen where you wouldnt recognised them from the last 20 years.

Countries That Have Boomed the Most the Past 20 Years:

China
India
Thailand
Vietnam
Canada
Australia
Poland
Croatia
Slovenia
Czech Republic
South Korea
Taiwan
UAE
Panama


Countries That Declined the Most the Past 20 Years and Being Most Negatively Stagnant:

Greece
Spain
Portugal
Ireland
Iceland
New Zealand
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Venezuela
Zimbabwe
Pakistan