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I made the claim as a refute to someone else's claim.
When you refute a claim, you need to backup your reason why YOU are right, not them. Otherwise, it's all emotional knee-jerkism ranting because you couldn't stand someone putting your country down. Now, give us all a reason why you refute his claim. Debating 101. Saying I'm wrong, you're right does not make you right.
When you refute a claim, you need to backup your reason why YOU are right, not them. Otherwise, it's all emotional knee-jerkism ranting because you couldn't stand someone putting your country down. Now, give us all a reason why you refute his claim. Debating 101. Saying I'm wrong, you're right does not make you right.
Please spare me the lecture.
A comment was made that American cities were more diverse than Sydney and Melbourne.
Without seeing anything else he had to say, I posted the comment that that was rubbish, and that Melbourne and Sydney were as diverse as NY.
After I posted my comment, I read the other posters subsequent comments. He seems to have limited his argument to NY v Syd/Melb when challenged by other posters, almost back peddling. So it's no longer every American city, now it's just New York City.
Okay fine. But even so, I stand by comment that Melbourne and Sydney are as diverse as NY. And it has nothing to do with emotion.
As I said, NY may have more of something than Melbourne, but I disagree that it is more diversified than Melbourne. Same applies to Sydney.
In a country of 22 million people, which 2 cities comprising almost 9M of those people do you think are going to capture the cream of whatever crop comes to Australia? Sydney and Melbourne of course. If you think that Sydney and Melbourne are not diversified, you are seriously mistaken. If you think that Sydney and Melbourne are not as diversified as NY, again, seriously mistaken.
A comment was made that American cities were more diverse than Sydney and Melbourne.
Without seeing anything else he had to say, I posted the comment that that was rubbish, and that Melbourne and Sydney were as diverse as NY.
After I posted my comment, I read the other posters subsequent comments. He seems to have limited his argument to NY v Syd/Melb when challenged by other posters, almost back peddling. So it's no longer every American city, now it's just New York City.
Okay fine. But even so, I stand by comment that Melbourne and Sydney are as diverse as NY. And it has nothing to do with emotion.
As I said, NY may have more of something than Melbourne, but I disagree that it is more diversified than Melbourne. Same applies to Sydney.
In a country of 22 million people, which 2 cities comprising almost 9M of those people do you think are going to capture the cream of whatever crop comes to Australia? Sydney and Melbourne of course. If you think that Sydney and Melbourne are not diversified, you are seriously mistaken. If you think that Sydney and Melbourne are not as diversified as NY, again, seriously mistaken.
I still fail to see how Melbourne can be more diversified than NYC, which has a metro area population almost equal to your country's population. It is well known that more than 100 languages are spoken in NYC on a daily basis, can the same be said about Melbourne and Sydney? You're getting on the right track, but I still don't see how Melbourne is more diversified. You're putting Melbourne and Sydney in the same list that includes New York City, London, Paris, and Tokyo.
I still fail to see how Melbourne can be more diversified than NYC, which has a metro area population almost equal to your country's population. It is well known that more than 100 languages are spoken in NYC on a daily basis, can the same be said about Melbourne and Sydney? You're getting on the right track, but I still don't see how Melbourne is more diversified. You're putting Melbourne and Sydney in the same list that includes New York City, London, Paris, and Tokyo.
I never said more diversified than NY. I said as diversified than NY.
You are getting confused with diversification and quantity. NY may have more widgets than Melbourne, but from what I have seen, both have the same variety of widgets. If you have a basket of fruit containing 10 oranges, 10 apples and 10 bananas to feed 5 people and I have a basket of fruit containing 4 oranges, 4 apples and 4 bananas to feed 2 people, does that make your basket more diversified than mine? You might have a higher quantity of fruit, but the diversiity is exactly the same.
I don't know the stats on how many languages are spoken in Melbourne, and quite frankly, I don't care what because quite simply, I don't trust those type of stats. Footscray alone, a suburb of Melbourne, seems as if there's 50 languages spoken. If Footscray is not THE most multicultured suburb in the world, then I don't know what is. Let me put it to you another way. You said NY has 100 languages spoken in it on a daily basis. Well as a resident of Melbourne, 100 seems too little for Melbourne. Do you get what I mean? In Melbourne, it seems like 200 languages spoken is about right, even though they're probably isn't 200 languages in the world. My point is, I don't know what the stats are, but every day I see people from pretty much every country on earth going about their daily lives in Melbourne. Catch a peak hour train on any given day, when the train is packed, and you will see pretty much every nationality you can possibly think of.
But is diversity limited to multiculturalism? I went to London in 2007. I asked for this particular type of coffee. The lady said "no we only have a few basic coffees in London, what you are asking for is an Aussie thing". It serms that Melbourne has it all over London as far as coffee diversity goes.
I never said more diversified than NY. I said as diversified than NY.
You are getting confused with diversification and quantity. NY may have more widgets than Melbourne, but from what I have seen, both have the same variety of widgets. If you have a basket of fruit containing 10 oranges, 10 apples and 10 bananas to feed 5 people and I have a basket of fruit containing 4 oranges, 4 apples and 4 bananas to feed 2 people, does that make your basket more diversified than mine? You might have a higher quantity of fruit, but the diversiity is exactly the same.
I don't know the stats on how many languages are spoken in Melbourne, and quite frankly, I don't care what because quite simply, I don't trust those type of stats. Footscray alone, a suburb of Melbourne, seems as if there's 50 languages spoken. If Footscray is not THE most multicultured suburb in the world, then I don't know what is. Let me put it to you another way. You said NY has 100 languages spoken in it on a daily basis. Well as a resident of Melbourne, 100 seems too little for Melbourne. Do you get what I mean? In Melbourne, it seems like 200 languages spoken is about right, even though they're probably isn't 200 languages in the world. My point is, I don't know what the stats are, but every day I see people from pretty much every country on earth going about their daily lives in Melbourne. Catch a peak hour train on any given day, when the train is packed, and you will see pretty much every nationality you can possibly think of.
But is diversity limited to multiculturalism? I went to London in 2007. I asked for this particular type of coffee. The lady said "no we only have a few basic coffees in London, what you are asking for is an Aussie thing". It serms that Melbourne has it all over London as far as coffee diversity goes.
I think I see now where you're getting at. At least we're getting somewhere! Well, Australia is the hot and popular country to move to now so I'm not surprised that Melbourne and Sydney are very diversified. I suppose it's not fair comparing a city that has been in existence since the 1600s to ones that have been built in the 1800s (if my memory serves correct?) Being that Australia is also much easier to emigrate to than the US, I could see how both cities these days would be comparable, just on a much smaller scale.
I think I see now where you're getting at. At least we're getting somewhere! Well, Australia is the hot and popular country to move to now so I'm not surprised that Melbourne and Sydney are very diversified. I suppose it's not fair comparing a city that has been in existence since the 1600s to ones that have been built in the 1800s (if my memory serves correct?) Being that Australia is also much easier to emigrate to than the US, I could see how both cities these days would be comparable, just on a much smaller scale.
Yep, and that's been my point along, comparable but on a smaller scale. That's why when I read that other poster's post about all American cities being more diversified than Melbourne and Sydney, I thought what rubbish. People who make such generalistic comments need to visit Australia and see just how multicultural these two cities are. Not suggesting this works entirely smoothly, far from it. Both Sydney and Melbourne has had its problems with multiculturalism. Recent research suggested that Sydney was not as tolerant of certain races as Melbounre, highlighted by a couple of race riots in the past few years. Even Melbounre a couple of years ago was accused of being a racist city by India and some Melbounre based Indians, notwithstanding that Melbounre has a fairly large Indian community, after an Indian was murdered here (turned out the murderer was a 16 year old kid who had no idea of the implications of his actions and just wanted the Indian's phone, and stabbed him for it, had nothing to do with race, and subsequently made headline news all over Melbourne and India) and a couple of other petty crimes.
Sydney is Australia’s most multicultural city (closely followed by Melbourne), where four out of six people in some suburbs speak a language other than English at home (overall some 30 per cent of the population of Sydney doesn’t speak English at home). Sydney and Melbourne are home to around 65 per cent of all non-English speaking migrants, who together speak a total of some 240 foreign languages.
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Well, Australia is the hot and popular country to move to now so I'm not surprised that Melbourne and Sydney are very diversified. I suppose it's not fair comparing a city that has been in existence since the 1600s to ones that have been built in the 1800s (if my memory serves correct?) Being that Australia is also much easier to emigrate to than the US, I could see how both cities these days would be comparable, just on a much smaller scale.
