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Old 04-18-2015, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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no
south Vietnam was the one being invaded, not the north

the Americans were protecting the south
. . . from the Vietnamese?? The way we protect Iraq from the Iraqis, and Afghanistan from the Afghans, and Grenada from the Grenadines. No matter how many of them we have to kill. Where were we when the Vietnamese needed to be protected from the French? Saving the French. (You do know history well enough to know that Vietnam was, a few years earlier, a part of French Indo-China, right?)
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Old 04-18-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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are you actually equating that to the holocaust
To its early days that were pre-genocidal, yes.
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Old 04-19-2015, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Canada
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. . . from the Vietnamese?? The way we protect Iraq from the Iraqis, and Afghanistan from the Afghans, and Grenada from the Grenadines. No matter how many of them we have to kill. Where were we when the Vietnamese needed to be protected from the French? Saving the French. (You do know history well enough to know that Vietnam was, a few years earlier, a part of French Indo-China, right?)
The French government actually requested the US nuke Vietnam to keep it in line so it could stay a French colony. Obviously that didn't happen, but it really goes to show you the thinking of that era. IMO the communist insurgency was even more an anti-colonial rebellion then it was about communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vulture
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Paris
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Please stick to the topic.
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Old 04-19-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The topic, succinctly stated, is whether declaration of a memorial day can influence whether history repeats itself, and the OP says he would like to hear comments. Historical examples of the experiences of nations that have or have not commemorated atrocities are not off-topic.

However, it might be in the wrong forum.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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The topic, succinctly stated, is whether declaration of a memorial day can influence whether history repeats itself, and the OP says he would like to hear comments. Historical examples of the experiences of nations that have or have not commemorated atrocities are not off-topic.

However, it might be in the wrong forum.

Actually, per the article, the query is in relation to current events and not events that have already occurred after WW2.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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"Can history repeat itself" is explicitly stated in the OP as a discussion query, both in the OP itself, and in the title of the referenced document. That puts historical events on the table within the narrow context of the proposition, as well as any others that are saliently analogous..

How can the history of WWII repeat itself, without involving post-WWII events?
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:21 AM
 
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A holocaust of Jews will not occur again as long as Israel exists and continues to remember with a holocaust day observance.
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Old 04-20-2015, 12:41 PM
 
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A holocaust of Jews will not occur again as long as Israel exists and continues to remember with a holocaust day observance.
African Americans are treated worse today, with more prejudice and disctimination, than they were before the official observance of Martin Luther King Day. Proclaiming the day of observance didn't help a bit.

As long as the Jews continue to call themselves a separate race with special privileges and entitlements, and resist integration into society, they will remain at risk, and no mere proclamation can protect them. In fact, just such a proclamation could heighten the risk, constantly drawing attention to their apart-ness and socio-cultural insularity, since there will always be people who will see that as a threat.


Why should the Jews be entitled to their own special day? What about a Tutsi Genocide Day? How about a Spanish Conquistador Day? An Irish Potato-famine Day? A Pol Pot Day? To keep those histories from repeating themselves.

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Old 04-20-2015, 01:04 PM
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African Americans are treated worse today, with more prejudice and disctimination, than they were before the official observance of Martin Luther King Day. Proclaiming the day of observance didn't help a bit.

As long as the Jews continue to call themselves a separate race with special privileges and entitlements, and resist integration into society, they will remain at risk, and no mere proclamation can protect them. In fact, just such a proclamation could heighten the risk, constantly drawing attention to their apart-ness and socio-cultural insularity, since there will always be people who will see that as a threat.


Why should the Jews be entitled to their own special day? A Pol Pot Day? To keep those histories from repeating themselves.
Are you talking about Jews in Israel or Jews in general? Because it appears you are jumping back and forth.

The article is about Israel.

Really why would Israel commenorate the days you listed!

qote [What about a Tutsi Genocide Day? How about a Spanish Conquistador Day? An Irish Potato-famine Day?] end quote
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