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I suspect that the "old one" (Serbia that is) didn't go anywhere either.
Or why do you think Serbs so eagerly let those recent refugees pour through their borders?
Not only that - this is the one of the latest matches between Serbia and Ukraine.
Just in case you didn't recognize - this is "Katyusha" they are singing.
I'd say they didn't forget that they were bombed by NATO. They didn't forget Kosovo either.
Aethalsad... Look around. Look at American youngsters - at American girls in particular. What understanding do they have in international politics? And how much of "their own opinion" do they formulate?
Well Russian girls are not different in this respect.
I wish I could tell you that I was not interested at that age in politics either, but I can't.
I think I was sitting on my potty and they were already talking politics to me. So I was conditioned by the older generation in my family ( and not only) to take note of politics from the early age on, but it's not a regular occurrence ( at least for Russia.)
Thank you once again for clearing things up!
+rep again my friend!
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Not too far I'd think. (Even less so than in case with Ukraine anti-government's rallies I'd guess.)
These are mostly the same people who insist that the 90ies were "good period" in Russian history, because of the arrival of "freedom" and what's not. The majority of Russians happen to think that those were really disastrous years, so chances that they'll agree with these people on anything are really miniscule.
This is without a doubt the most likely scenario that will play out as of current and in the near future.
Are most of the young Russians ages 18-35(Particularly the ones who have moved to the U.S.A. to work and study here or have lived here most of their lives)in the United States big supporters of Putin, the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine and Syria? Or do they for the most part care little about politics as well whereas the Russians who are supporters of Putin and the war in Ukraine do not travel to the United States and live over in Russia??
I've read this whole thread and as yet to read one answer on what Russian American's/visitors to the West or Europe for that matter.?? How they view Putin or what he is doing supporting a slaughterer Assad? Never mind lying as to what he is doing versus the truth of what is he doing.??????
I watched Syria's Ambassador to USA talk to day on MSM..He basically said it..Russia views anyone against the Assad dictatorship as "Terrorists"..so choses to kill those who are actually making inroads against his leadership. But what I couldn't understand with this Ambassador was him suggesting that Syria is a Sovereign Nation and needs their rights recognized blah blah...and allow true Syrians to voice their demands and allow Assad to deal with it to create a harmonious Country....
I about choked on my coffee....The In-house Syrian DID PROTEST PEACEFULLY and they got bombed/Gassed/and slaughtered..so they sought help....That is just like what Putin does in Russia..Has some Goon Sqaud kill any dissident ..and claim IDK?????Investigation..??? Nope don't know Nuttin!!
Ambassador sounded too full of Putin Rhetoric! I wonder why it took him so long to even have the nerve to go public?? Oh I know..he had to have a crash course in order to maintain that straight face..and answer the bullet points dictated to him by Putin...Assad is a lost cause in the rest of world's eyes..Only Russia and Iran actually support Assad the Butcher!!
I would love Turkey to nail one of Russian Bomber Jets if comes 1 cm past that boarder!!
Anyway...Do Russian American's who hear both sides of the issue have anything to say?? Maybe they are too scared IF they do..something will happen to their family back in Russia??? It wouldn't be the first time that has been suggested!
"...The United States of America funded anti-Assad elements a decade or more before Vladimir Putin was forced to intercede. The United States of America twisted the arms of EU leadership to sanction Assad’s oil industry, years ago. Pressure, pressure, pressure was applied, bombs fell, poison gas choked human beings to death, burned their hearts and lungs, and the very people who perpetrated the war crimes – they blamed everyone but the guilty. In the cable I shared with you my countrymen, people payed by American taxpayers advised, from Damascus, Syria, on how to overthrow a foreign government. Weaknesses are listed, followed by recommended actions. These recommendations, as we see now, were acted upon by our officials. The directive plays out before your eyes in this way:
Vulnerability – Syria’s Economy
Suggested Action – Discourage foreign direct investment – especially from the Gulf (Persian)
I've read this whole thread and as yet to read one answer on what Russian American's/visitors to the West or Europe for that matter.?? How they view Putin or what he is doing supporting a slaughterer Assad? Never mind lying as to what he is doing versus the truth of what is he doing.??????
I watched Syria's Ambassador to USA talk to day on MSM..He basically said it..Russia views anyone against the Assad dictatorship as "Terrorists"..so choses to kill those who are actually making inroads against his leadership. But what I couldn't understand with this Ambassador was him suggesting that Syria is a Sovereign Nation and needs their rights recognized blah blah...and allow true Syrians to voice their demands and allow Assad to deal with it to create a harmonious Country....
I about choked on my coffee....The In-house Syrian DID PROTEST PEACEFULLY and they got bombed/Gassed/and slaughtered..so they sought help....That is just like what Putin does in Russia..Has some Goon Sqaud kill any dissident ..and claim IDK?????Investigation..??? Nope don't know Nuttin!!
Ambassador sounded too full of Putin Rhetoric! I wonder why it took him so long to even have the nerve to go public?? Oh I know..he had to have a crash course in order to maintain that straight face..and answer the bullet points dictated to him by Putin...Assad is a lost cause in the rest of world's eyes..Only Russia and Iran actually support Assad the Butcher!!
I would love Turkey to nail one of Russian Bomber Jets if comes 1 cm past that boarder!!
Anyway...Do Russian American's who hear both sides of the issue have anything to say?? Maybe they are too scared IF they do..something will happen to their family back in Russia??? It wouldn't be the first time that has been suggested!
Y'know, looking back at this reply. I owe you an apology because what you said is exactly right! Throughout this thread, there was now a single legitimate answer of what Russians living in the United States aka Russian Americans or Russian citizens living or visiting the United States or the European Union for that matter think of Putin and his actions when it comes to Ukraine and Syria.
Lyndarn, you were actually the only person who understood my thread besides Ruth4truth and a few others. The rest missed did not answer properly.
Well I'm a Russian American, I don't speak for all, and I know I have different opinions compared to most, for instance most Russians be that younge and old are conservatives, pro capitalist, and almost always vote republican. I however tend to be liberal, I believe in a free market, but I also think that socialist programs are good too, and I tend to side with democrats more often than with republicans. That being said my opinions on things going on in Russia are;
Putin: he's not the greats guy, probably has a closet full of skeletons, but he also loves his country and he is the best leader Russia has seen in a very very long time. I hope that someday better than him takes his place in 2018, but I don't think he should be made out an enemy.
Crimea: I'm for it being part of Russia, my family is from there and they all seem to agree, and those who are still living there voted for it going to Russia.
Donbas: huge tragedy!!! At this point with all the atrocities committed by Ukraine to these people I don't ever see this place bowing down to Ukraine. I hope that they will be allowed great autonomy similar to Scotland in the UK. And in general Ukraine needs to be federalized, no nation of that size should have a centralized government, and that applies to Russia too. Yes on paper it is a federation but Moscow still controls a lot, especially in the oblasts.
Syria: Assad is not the greatest guy either, but nocking down the government institutions and the social infrastructure already in place will do nothing but replace one snake with another. Just look at what happened to other Arab Spring countries. What needs to be done in my opinion is that the world needs to recognize Assad and his government as legitamit leaders of the nation. Force Assad to recognize the opposition, and have them plus the Kurds, and a select few countries such as the US, Russia, Turkey, UK etc. to discuss their future. Assad will have a time limit to place certain reforms and implement laws that prevent dictator from occurring, and prevent relegious radicels from taken nig power. and then have him step down and he retires somewhere. An election then takes me lace and the people vote on a new leader. Also durring the discussion it might also be best to split the nation up between Sunni, Shia, and Kurds if they can't stand each other that much, and have them be part of a loose economic federation, but politically independent.
Baltic states: Russis isn't stupid, it will never invade them. You can put extra troops as a precaution but seriously doubt you will ever use them.
Sanctions: at this point some sanctions need to be lifted as a sign of willing cooperation, the sanctions are doing more harm than good, especially in Europe.
Opposition: I think that the Russian gov is a bit harsh on them, I can't say with certainty if they killed Navalny (or what ever his name was) but I wouldn't overly surprised, but it also doesn't make sense. Also if the opposition wants a chance at winning they need a United front and message because at the moment they are very divided. And I don't think they are traitors, free speech is an integral part of having a free society and keeping your government in check. However this would be the wrong time for a full scale revolution like what happened in maidan, and hopefully will never happen in such a fashion. I am more in favor of the kind of revolution that Bernie Sanders in the US is trying to make.
Gay rights: most Russians both in Russia and out side are anti gay (gay is sin/unnatural). That being said I think that gay people should have rights, I think that no matter what you say they will always be there and there will always be gay couples so I think that at least there should civil unions allowed for them. I also think that the gay community both in Russia and outside need to understand the Russian culture, and the more flamboyant and the more they push, the more the Russian people will push back. So for instance I'm againts gay parades, because it's a public event and it is very provocative and sexual. It looks more like a gay strippers parade than a gay parade. I also think it might be good Idea for Russia to creat a gay colony/city where they can live their lives happily while not provoking the more conservative people of Russia, and they could still be productive people contributing to the Russian economy. It would somthing like the Jewish atonomous oblast, but on a much smaller scale.
Ukraine in general: I love Ukraine, I'm half Ukrainian myself and I hope that both Ukraine and Russia can go back to being brotherly nations. If Ukraine wants to be part of the EU then Russia needs to respect that and let them go. But I don't think they should be part of NATO since that will send a very bad and dangerous message to Russia.
Neo nazies/far right groups: they scare me and disgust me, not only are they in Ukraine, but also in Russia, and in Europe. It just makes me sad that my great grandparents fought againts these pigs, and now their grand kids and great grand kids want to destroy all of that and let the pigs back in, it's just alarming, and I feel like the world powers are not doing enough to curb this trend because if they don't do something they will be the new "Islamist" and trust it will be much worse. Russia needs to educate it's young people what fascism is, what hitler stood for, the people who died to save Russia. And also that things such as rasicm and sexism is unacceptable.
I think I brushed up on most of the talking points.
Well I'm a Russian American, I don't speak for all, and I know I have different opinions compared to most, for instance most Russians be that younge and old are conservatives, pro capitalist, and almost always vote republican. I however tend to be liberal, I believe in a free market, but I also think that socialist programs are good too, and I tend to side with democrats more often than with republicans. That being said my opinions on things going on in Russia are;
Putin: he's not the greats guy, probably has a closet full of skeletons, but he also loves his country and he is the best leader Russia has seen in a very very long time. I hope that someday better than him takes his place in 2018, but I don't think he should be made out an enemy.
Crimea: I'm for it being part of Russia, my family is from there and they all seem to agree, and those who are still living there voted for it going to Russia.
Donbas: huge tragedy!!! At this point with all the atrocities committed by Ukraine to these people I don't ever see this place bowing down to Ukraine. I hope that they will be allowed great autonomy similar to Scotland in the UK. And in general Ukraine needs to be federalized, no nation of that size should have a centralized government, and that applies to Russia too. Yes on paper it is a federation but Moscow still controls a lot, especially in the oblasts.
Syria: Assad is not the greatest guy either, but nocking down the government institutions and the social infrastructure already in place will do nothing but replace one snake with another. Just look at what happened to other Arab Spring countries. What needs to be done in my opinion is that the world needs to recognize Assad and his government as legitamit leaders of the nation. Force Assad to recognize the opposition, and have them plus the Kurds, and a select few countries such as the US, Russia, Turkey, UK etc. to discuss their future. Assad will have a time limit to place certain reforms and implement laws that prevent dictator from occurring, and prevent relegious radicels from taken nig power. and then have him step down and he retires somewhere. An election then takes me lace and the people vote on a new leader. Also durring the discussion it might also be best to split the nation up between Sunni, Shia, and Kurds if they can't stand each other that much, and have them be part of a loose economic federation, but politically independent.
Baltic states: Russis isn't stupid, it will never invade them. You can put extra troops as a precaution but seriously doubt you will ever use them.
Sanctions: at this point some sanctions need to be lifted as a sign of willing cooperation, the sanctions are doing more harm than good, especially in Europe.
Opposition: I think that the Russian gov is a bit harsh on them, I can't say with certainty if they killed Navalny (or what ever his name was) but I wouldn't overly surprised, but it also doesn't make sense. Also if the opposition wants a chance at winning they need a United front and message because at the moment they are very divided. And I don't think they are traitors, free speech is an integral part of having a free society and keeping your government in check. However this would be the wrong time for a full scale revolution like what happened in maidan, and hopefully will never happen in such a fashion. I am more in favor of the kind of revolution that Bernie Sanders in the US is trying to make.
Gay rights: most Russians both in Russia and out side are anti gay (gay is sin/unnatural). That being said I think that gay people should have rights, I think that no matter what you say they will always be there and there will always be gay couples so I think that at least there should civil unions allowed for them. I also think that the gay community both in Russia and outside need to understand the Russian culture, and the more flamboyant and the more they push, the more the Russian people will push back. So for instance I'm againts gay parades, because it's a public event and it is very provocative and sexual. It looks more like a gay strippers parade than a gay parade. I also think it might be good Idea for Russia to creat a gay colony/city where they can live their lives happily while not provoking the more conservative people of Russia, and they could still be productive people contributing to the Russian economy. It would somthing like the Jewish atonomous oblast, but on a much smaller scale.
Ukraine in general: I love Ukraine, I'm half Ukrainian myself and I hope that both Ukraine and Russia can go back to being brotherly nations. If Ukraine wants to be part of the EU then Russia needs to respect that and let them go. But I don't think they should be part of NATO since that will send a very bad and dangerous message to Russia.
Neo nazies/far right groups: they scare me and disgust me, not only are they in Ukraine, but also in Russia, and in Europe. It just makes me sad that my great grandparents fought againts these pigs, and now their grand kids and great grand kids want to destroy all of that and let the pigs back in, it's just alarming, and I feel like the world powers are not doing enough to curb this trend because if they don't do something they will be the new "Islamist" and trust it will be much worse. Russia needs to educate it's young people what fascism is, what hitler stood for, the people who died to save Russia. And also that things such as rasicm and sexism is unacceptable.
I think I brushed up on most of the talking points.
I appreciate your two cents on all of this! Especially coming from a Russian American. However, I still would like to hear more answers from other Russian Americans.
That said, this one is a little bit different and has more detail overall!
END OF DISCLAIMER
I know that most Russians in Russia support Putin and his actions in Ukraine, but I do wonder what Russians abroad, especially in the United States think.
One of the reasons why I am asking this is because I live in Sacramento where there happens to be a lot of Russians living around me.
That being said, all that I want to know is the following:
Are Russians living abroad I.E. living in the EU and United States different than Russians in the Russian Federation in terms of education and ideology I.E. who and what they support and oppose when it comes to politics?
Are most of the young Russians ages 18-35(Particularly the ones who have moved to the U.S.A. to work and study here or have lived here most of their lives)in the United States big supporters of Putin, the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine and Syria? Or do they for the most part care little about politics as well whereas the Russians who are supporters of Putin and the war in Ukraine do not travel to the United States and live over in Russia??
Dear author. What you do not like Putin? you are accustomed to blame Russia and Putin in all the world's ills, we tend to forget to look at his feet.
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So I was conditioned by the older generation in my family ( and not only) to take note of politics from the early age on, but it's not a regular occurrence ( at least for Russia.)
