If English can be considered a Roman(ce) language then................ (elementary school, agriculture)

[goonzy]

If you include English as a Roman(ce) language aka a Latin language which it most certainly is, then Brittan, along with its Latin brothers of Spain, France and Portugal literally set sail and took over the half of the known world. Think about it, the kids of the deceased Roman Empire, Paris, London, Madrid and Lisboa(I call them little Romes) set sail from their small bases in the Mediterranean and conquered half the known world including the Americas from head to toe.
Now the grandkids of the Romans, the Latin Americans(spearheaded by the USA) are litterly trying to take over the entire world, with the help of thier parents of course, in the form of the European Union and in a weird way supervised by the ghost of the Roman Empire(the Roman Catholic church) from old imperial Rome itself.
Latin World Order?

[ABQConvict]

The problem with the premise of this thread is that English cannot be considered a romance language.

[elnina]

English is not a Romance language because it is not derived from Latin - such classifications generally go by "family tree" relationships, which look at how languages evolve and separate into daughter languages.
If you go back to Old English from before the Vikings settled in England, you can clearly see a language (or several closely related languages, if you prefer) that has a high degree of resemblance to other West Germanic languages of the time, in almost every aspect.

[PacoMartin]

Originally Posted by ABQConvict

The problem with the premise of this thread is that English cannot be considered a romance language.

It isn't totally stupid. the vocabulary of English is almost entirely Latin based. I mean most of the words that we speak on a percentage basis are not Latin based, but most of the words in the language by percentage are based on Latin.

To be clearer, of the most common verbs, the first 10 constitute 50% of the verbs we speak or write, and the most common Latin based verb is "use", but if you were to compile a list of the most common 10,000 verbs, most of them would be Latin.

1. be
2. have
3. do
4. say
5. get
6. make
7. go
8. know
9. take
10. see
11. come
12. think
13. look
14. want
15. give
16. use

Traditionally, we don't consider English a Romance language because it's structure and syntax is not Latin based. But Old English only had about 25,000 words, so without Latin based vocabulary we would sound very different.

[elnina]

Estimates of native words (derived from Old English) range from 20%–33%, with the rest made up of outside borrowings. A portion of these borrowings come directly from Latin, or through one of the Romance languages, particularly Anglo-Norman and French, but some also from Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish; or from other languages (such as Gothic, Frankish or Greek) into Latin and then into English. The influence of Latin in English, therefore, is primarily lexical in nature, being confined mainly to words derived from Latin roots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_...nce_in_English

[skelaki]

While English has many words, prefixes and suffixes derived from Latin (as well as Greek), it is not a "Romance (derived from Latin) Language." English is a Germanic language. Below are the first lines from BEOWULF in the original Old English:



"Hwæt! We Gar-Dena in gear-dagum
þeod-cyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum
monegum mægþum meodo-setla ofteah;

egsode eorl[as] syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden; he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorð-myndum þah,
oðæt him æghwylc þara ymb-sittendra
ofer hron-rade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. Þæt wæs god cyning!"

[goonzy]

More than 2/3s of all English words are Latin(neo-latin) based and observe spelling and pronunciation rules different from the English(Germanic) words students learn in Elementary school.
Also not only does Latin provide the root words for all of the modern sciences but Latin is the language of law, politics, logic, and theology.

If you wanted to you could even replace all the barbarian words in your sentences for Latin words. Heres an example.
"Lets ditch the Germanic words and start talking English with latin words only".
That was all said using mostly Germanic words. Now im going to say this same sentence using almost only Latin words.
"I Recommend we Forfeit our Usage of the Germanic Vocabulary and commit to exclusively using Latin In the English Language"

Also to ignore that London was founded as Londinium and that Brittan made up part of the Roman Empire. To ignore that Brittan was Roman Catholic for a thousand years, to ignore all the history, Architecture, culture, language and even DNA contribution passed on to the English by the Romans is just plain old deceitful British Monarchy Protestant propaganda. The English world needs to embrace their Roman roots. I know America has.
At the very least you have to admit that english is a half breed language [germanic/latin at the very least!

[goonzy]

Originally Posted by skelaki

While English has many words, prefixes and suffixes derived from Latin (as well as Greek), it is not a "Romance (derived from Latin) Language." English is a Germanic language. Below are the first lines from BEOWULF in the original Old English:



"Hwæt! We Gar-Dena in gear-dagum
þeod-cyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!

Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum
monegum mægþum meodo-setla ofteah;

egsode eorl[as] syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden; he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorð-myndum þah,
oðæt him æghwylc þara ymb-sittendra
ofer hron-rade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. Þæt wæs god cyning!"

I cant understand any of that Bewulf barbarian growling mumbo jumbo. The English of today and old viking english are not even close. So different. English since then has rapidly evolved into something new once it met latin.
English, you see, is a hybrid language, a marriage of two languages—English and Latin. The name English comes from the Angles who, along with the Saxons and other barbarians, invaded Britain after the fall of Rome in the 5th century.
English is a Germanic language and, the Germans being barbarians, had mostly concrete, common, everyday words, the words children learn to speak and read first in elementary school.
But, beginning in 3rd grade, students start to encounter the Latin half of English. Latin words are bigger, harder, have more syllables, more abstract meanings, and different pronunciation and spelling patterns and describe complex concepts like logic, mathmatics, sciences, theology, politics and agriculture. Concepts way beyond the simple Barbarian mind and therefore consequentially beyond their primitive old norse english language.
There is no other Language in the world that has sooooo much Latin influence other then English. Its the only Latin hybrid of its kind.
If English cant be considered a full member of the latin family, well its definitely a half brother at the very least, but thats still family!

[easthome]

Originally Posted by goonzy

I cant understand any of that Bewulf barbarian growling mumbo jumbo. The English of today and old viking english are not even close. So different. English since then has rapidly evolved into something new once it met latin.
English, you see, is a hybrid language, a marriage of two languages—English and Latin. The name English comes from the Angles who, along with the Saxons and other barbarians, invaded Britain after the fall of Rome in the 5th century.
English is a Germanic language and, the Germans being barbarians, had mostly concrete, common, everyday words, the words children learn to speak and read first in elementary school.
But, beginning in 3rd grade, students start to encounter the Latin half of English. Latin words are bigger, harder, have more syllables, more abstract meanings, and different pronunciation and spelling patterns and describe complex concepts like logic, mathmatics, sciences, theology, politics and agriculture. Concepts way beyond the simple Barbarian mind and therefore consequentially beyond their primitive old norse english language.
There is no other Language in the world that has sooooo much Latin influence other then English. Its the only Latin hybrid of its kind.
If English cant be considered a full member of the latin family, well its definitely a half brother at the very least, but thats still family!

English (like most European languages) is a hybrid of far more than just English and Latin, there are Germanic, Scandinavian, French, Greek (and more) influences too, I think all European languages are influenced in some way by Latin aren't they?

[viribusunitis]

Originally Posted by goonzy

If you include English as a Roman(ce) language aka a Latin language which it most certainly is

Dream on.