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Old 10-07-2018, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Why can't countries like the USA, Germany, Japan, Australia etc. not have an agreement where they allow people from other developed countries to live and work without all the hassle? A valid passport and a clean criminal record should be enough imo.
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Old 10-07-2018, 09:54 PM
 
Location: In transition
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Why can't countries like the USA, Germany, Japan, Australia etc. not have an agreement where they allow people from other developed countries to live and work without all the hassle? A valid passport and a clean criminal record should be enough imo.
I completely agree! I really hope this comes to pass. I guess the only gray area is who decides what countries are developed or not? Is Saudi Arabia developed because they are rich rather than Ukraine or Moldova?
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Old 10-07-2018, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Why can't countries like the USA, Germany, Japan, Australia etc. not have an agreement where they allow people from other developed countries to live and work without all the hassle? A valid passport and a clean criminal record should be enough imo.
It doesn't matter. Some countries frequently demand strong evidence of intent to return to the home country, if the visa is for a temporary stay, due to potential unwanted illegal immigration.

People from one developed country still might want to stay and work in another developed country. Like some lazy or unskilled US citizens would want to move to the UE and live from welfare. There are inquiry on the Europe forum.
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Australia
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To give you an example of the potential difficulties, Australia and New Zealand already have pretty well free movement between the two countries. However, the NZ policy for taking immigrants from other countries has been at some stages more lenient than Australia's. So what was happening was that there was a stream of people gaining NZ citizenship and then moving to Aus. This means that people who would not otherwise be accepted into Australia were arriving.

Every country has different social security and especially health care arrangements. Almost all developed countries other than the US have some sort of universal health care and all sorts of difficulties arise if people move freely between the countries.
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Why can't countries like the USA, Germany, Japan, Australia etc. not have an agreement where they allow people from other developed countries to live and work without all the hassle? A valid passport and a clean criminal record should be enough imo.
Population of a country equates to infrastructure size and housing availability. Imagine a country like Australia having to suddenly deal with an extra few million arriving. Same with Canada. Especially Canada sharing such a long land border with a country with 9 times it's population. Australia doesn't have that issue.

There has to be some sort of restrictions and system to stem the flow. So just a valid passport and no criminal record, is not enough to do that.
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Ah. humans LOL
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Why only from rich countries?
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Why can't countries like the USA, Germany, Japan, Australia etc. not have an agreement where they allow people from other developed countries to live and work without all the hassle? A valid passport and a clean criminal record should be enough imo.
The main problem is intergration, people have to be able to intergrate in to society and accept the culture and values.

Problems also relate to the need to regulate the population to meet services such as education and health as well as housing.

In terms of skilled workers there is often a higher priority placed on some skills, hence systems such as the ustralian points based system.

As for Germany it allows people from the EU to settle there and has allowed mass immigration from other countries, and the US has had significant immigration from Mexico.

A lot of the reasons for Brexit, Trump and the rise of the populist right relate to lax immigration policies, and as many employment sectors are predicted to increasingly automated over coming decades the issue of immigration may become even more political.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Yes, Australia is having a large debate about the acceptable level of immigration. Immigration in itself is not the issue but it is the balance between the numbers coming in and the infrastructure in our major cities, where the overwhelming majority of newcomers settle.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Airstrip 1, Oceania
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It seems to me that implicit in the original question is the idea that people from developed countries are a cut above people from undeveloped ones. But that is not the case. In any country you can find both hard working skilled reliable people and useless layabouts. So the ability to migrate to another country should not be based on citizenship but on wether the individual is going to be an economic asset or a liability.
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