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View Poll Results: What do you think? Is China helping or hurting?
Overall hurting 50 60.98%
Overall helping 32 39.02%
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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Yes,China is ok,the killing is happening with or without China,so don't blame China,because it beats the westerners at their own game.
Don't try to mix the subject with other excuses.China was right not to interfere with Sudan,if Chinese are there for business,they don't have to do politics.
I don't buy the story of chinese racisme,europeans occupied,abuse,enslaved and invented aparthied in Africa,so chinese don't have the same ugly history as europeans,so you can't even compare the two.
Yes,i'm glad africans are embracing chinese,they never occupied or enslaved africans.
You did not prove anything,you tried to divide to conquer and you failed.
Actually I have a friend that goes back and forth to Nigeria and he told me personally that he got the contracts that he did because he did NOT get his supplies from China. The Nigerians as a whole do not like the Chinese being there and that is a fact.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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Actually I have a friend that goes back and forth to Nigeria and he told me personally that he got the contracts that he did because he did NOT get his supplies from China. The Nigerians as a whole do not like the Chinese being there and that is a fact.
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That's a single person experience and doesn't apply to the country as a whole
That's one opinion out of many,it's his personal view and it doesn't mean that he was right.
Nigerians do more business with China than most african countries,so this is not a good point nor prove anything.
It's just simply not true.
China built so many infrastructure in Nigeria which is considered one of its largest market in the continent (with Algeria,SA & Egypt i believe)
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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African Leader: China never slaved Africa (Jacob Zuma,President of SA)


AFRICAN LEADER: China never slaved Africa - YouTube
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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yes funding dictators to kill their own people. At least in this day and age the West is more subtle. China behaves as if we are still in a Cold War mode.

I will also suggest that you chat with the Mongolians and the Tibetans, and other Central Asian ethnic groups about what being invaded and dominated by China is like. Its pretty much like what you accuse the Europeans of.

I am pretty sure that you would probably describe Russia when it was still communist as a paradise for Africans.
"Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements."

Nelson Mandela

As ugly as communism was as an economic system,it has also directly or indirectly benefited african countries fight colonialism in Africa.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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Actually I have a friend that goes back and forth to Nigeria and he told me personally that he got the contracts that he did because he did NOT get his supplies from China. The Nigerians as a whole do not like the Chinese being there and that is a fact.



Africa with China ep. 1 | The amazing transformation of Uyo city in Nigeria
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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Deborah Brautigam: China is successful in Africa where NGOs are not - providing infrastructure -
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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No offense, but how is Vietnam "flourishing" when it has a much lower Human Development Index than Honduras, Syria, Jamaica and Sri Lanka?

And even though India has definitely experienced a lot of growth in the recent decade (like some African nations), it's still not "ok". Huge proportions of it's population live in absolute poverty in slums, shacks and in deplorable hazardous conditions.

Today, Native Americans are generally a very very very struggling group in the US. So I don't get your point with that either.

UNdata | table presentation | Human Development Index trends, 1980
Have you been to Vietnam? It's like a mini-tropical China, socialist with a liberalised economy. Ironically it's one of the most capitalist countries I've been to, it seems everyone and his dog owns a shop. It's definitely on the rise with a rapidly growing economy, they're building lots of supertall skyscrapers in Hanoi, can't say the same for those other countries. Remember in the 1980s it was one of the poorest countries in the world (on par with Ethiopia) now few Vietnamese starve.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Well its not up to you is it. Ordinary Africans complain bitterly that when China builds projects, many monument show cases for political elites. Not only do they use their professionals and suppliers as virtually all donor nations do, but they even import Chinese labor, depriving locals of the chance to get a job. They set up stores which import cheap and low quality goods, again only employing Chinese. These stores put the locals out of business, and also even destroy some local manufacturers.

And if that's not enough they are now beginning to do the same in the Caribbean, bribing local officials so that they can get their way. Giving low skilled Chinese workers' permits when locals who can perform those jobs remain unemployed in the Great Recession which is still troubling the Caribbean. The result has been random attacks against these workers, and targeting by the criminal elements who have the tacit support of much of the working class who feel that these people are making their lives worse.

So is China good or bad? Mixed picture as they are building valuable infrastructure and have become a valuable market for RAW commodities. But are ordinary Africans really benefitting? Probably not. The Chinese are also no more willing to allow skills transfer to enable Africans to acquire the skills to run these large mining enterprises than the Europeans were.


And note that the Chinese can be as racist as any as the riots against African students in China some years ago indicated.
I've heard that too. They should employ more locals, make it more a local enterprise. I notice in many cases the Chinese might go somewhere but they form their own closed off communities/societies, make money and then leave.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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Europeans turned Australia, most of North American countries in to first world countries, which the so called 'natives' couldn't do.

Anyways if Europeans didn't invade then some else would've done it.

Stop making stupid post like this please.
The aborigines were living perfectly happily for 40 millennia, they did not need 9-5 office jobs, taxes, property, that kind of thing. They lived with the land, the land provided all they needed. Somehow I doubt modern developed society can last anything near as long. Heck less than 150 years into true industrialisation and we're having global environmental problems. So much for the benefits of industry and technology.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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Stephen Chan: China appreciates African aspirations in a way the West does not
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