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Old 12-05-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It would if you want to later set up a colonizing family (who ironically has the same names as the indigenous who you forced to adopt "Christian" names) to inherit ancestral lands that aren't theirs.


We aren't going to agree. I feel like I'm talking in circles now, which is my cue to exit.
Exit if you wish. You still have not provided evidence that African Americans are descendants of a people indigenous to North America. African Americans are finding DNA matches with modern Africans.

https://tracingafricanroots.wordpres...-the-diaspora/

All you have is a conspiracy theory.
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Old 12-05-2018, 10:08 PM
 
Location: 5,400 feet
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Of course I can. My Portuguese great-great grandfather is the cover of what I am and my main blood line. American ancestors don't count. Also what your majority percentage is, doesn't mean that's what you are either.
Genetically and genealogically there is no such thing as a main blood line. You have eight great grandparents ad share roughly equal amounts of DNA from each of them. If you want to feel Portuguese culturally, then have at it.
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Old 12-05-2018, 10:56 PM
 
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So now blood line doesn't matter? ORLY? You folks are so darn good at changing narratives to suit you. It's an art! As I've said before: enjoy your mischief while you can. Some of your folks know what time it is.......
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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So now blood line doesn't matter? ORLY? You folks are so darn good at changing narratives to suit you. It's an art! As I've said before: enjoy your mischief while you can. Some of your folks know what time it is.......
Who said that "blood line doesn't matter"?

He just pointed out that there is no such thing as a "main blood line", which is totally true.
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:31 AM
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My family in Oklahoma always used to say that if a black man doesn't know who he is, the Native American will tell you, "you are just a black skinned white man." All the biology in the world doesn't really matter. If you get a blood transfusion do you now share the Ancestry and DNA of the person whose blood you got?

On a side note the terms; Afro-American, Negro, and Colored were all being used (in formal language) at the same time going back to at least 1895 to my knowledge.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:52 AM
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Genetically and genealogically there is no such thing as a main blood line. You have eight great grandparents ad share roughly equal amounts of DNA from each of them. If you want to feel Portuguese culturally, then have at it.


The problem is he isn't familiar with the culture he claims to feel something but he doesn't even know how he fits in. How can he have loyalty to something he doesn't even know? Having a great great grandfather who was of Portuguese ancestry but hid and denied his roots doesn't make AzureKite Portuguese.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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The problem is he isn't familiar with the culture he claims to feel something but he doesn't even know how he fits in. How can he have loyalty to something he doesn't even know? Having a great great grandfather who was of Portuguese ancestry but hid and denied his roots doesn't make AzureKite Portuguese.
I'm not sure if Jim in New Mexico wants to get involved in this merry-go-round of a ride, it might make his head spin!
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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I'm not sure if Jim in New Mexico wants to get involved in this merry-go-round of a ride, it might make his head spin!
No, that's pretty much all I have to say to him. He's also pursuing some nonsense in the genealogy forum.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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No, that's pretty much all I have to say to him. He's also pursuing some nonsense in the genealogy forum.
Yeah, his one thread was already closed over there, which I predicted, and I guess he has been banned not once but twice on the 23andMe forums according to Roselvr.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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I am a Black American and have taken both the 23andme and AncestryDNA tests.

The test needs to be taken with a grain of salt for the following reasons:

1. Your results will probably vary between test companies. One company says that I'm 30% Nigerian while the other says that I'm only 1% Nigerian. One test also says that I'm 2% Native while the other says that I have zero native. The actual racial percentages have remained similar for each update.

2. They release updates changing your regional percentages.

3. Many neighboring countries don't have a category of their own due to shared history. So for example, is a Sierra Leonian took the test then Sierra Leone would not come up; only the neighboring regions would.

4. Africans of various tribes taken to the Americas have mixed with each other for centuries (as well with Europeans) so you will probably have a lot of lineage all throughout the places in Africa where slaves were sourced from.

Overall, the test is great at summarizing how much of each race you are (minus the tiny percentages). Its even great for people who are adopted and are looking for blood relatives. Im not adopted but I've had close family members pop up as relatives despite me not even knowing that they've taken the test but its not really that great for much more. Oh and the health portion of it can be good too.
I agree with regard to tests claiming to determine "nationality" versus racial group.

It's just as specious for whites trying to trace European nationalities.

There was a deal in the media a couple of years ago regarding some white triplets whose separate tests varied by a few percentage points in the amounts of "English" versus "Scottish."

Well, there's not a wall between England and Scotland. I suspect if any one of the triplets took repeated tests, the variation would be as great as it was between each of the triplets taking separate tests.
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