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Wow, ok. The colonization of Africa was only evil, yet the annexation of the Tibet and the Xinjiang are fully just and justified. The coronavirus outbreak across the world has nothing to do with Chinese apetite for the wild meat nor questionable higiene pratices, but foreigners who "can't wash their hands". Post #21 mentions a video that I had personally posted a couple of years ago showing a detergent commercial aired on Chinese TV showing how a cute Chinese girl should wash a dirty Black suitor into a clean Chinese man. China's positioning in Africa is a win-win situation, right? It looks like racism in China is evil when outsiders criticize Chinese actions, or when it's used as a convenient whataboutism, an argumentation technique they inherited from the USSR, to create some gaslight on their own wrongdoing. Blaming the covid-19 is racism, they said. Chinese authorities had no problem in putting their own scenario and market the disease as a Western thing, and/or Blacks. The Chinese government tells the mirror the way it wants to look. Stalin used to edit old official picture to have opponents removed. He even had his acne-related scars fixed from official portraits.
Looks like you just want to argue. Racism and colonization are two totally different things, although racism is rooted in colonization. What does the annexation of Tibet and Xinjiang have to do with China and Africa's current relationship, NOTHING!
China's positioning and or that of the West is not a win win. Who said that? The reality is that China does business and is the major manufacturer in the world. Not Africa, not USA, not EU, not India, but China. That is how it is at the moment and that won't change because people are upset. I have a clear perspective on how to reshuffle the deck at least where it will benefit Africans.
No COVID19 has nothing to do with the appetite for wild meat, I've not stated this. So are you just trying to argue? COVID19 is targeting black people globally, again don't understand your point. Africa has the lowest cases but you have people like Melinda Gates who said what keeps her up at not are the kids in the US who don't have computers and Africans dying in the streets from COVID19 (that is a crazy analogy) to doctors and scientist wanting to test vaccines on Africans, to African Americans getting dogs put on them (the specific terms is escaping me) because they aren't wearing a face mask, to governments saying that black people are the ones that are not only getting COVID19 but are dying from it. So the face of COVID19 is a black one.
Colonization was not good for Africa and I can't see any country where it benefited the people they enslaved and or their descendants.
That's the thing about these numbers coming out. The narrative has switched in the US. Raw numbers wise, melanated people aren't the face and definitely isn't worldwide. I saw that Mumbi video with the Australian lady yesterday and she has brought up points that has been in the minds of so called Blacks when the Aids and then Ebola cases broke out. Whether they be Chinese, European, Indian.... I'm not putting my health and wellbeing into their hands. There's a highly smart man by the name of Ron Shields who encourages every melanated person to get familiar with how viruses operate and what we must take in (eating habits) and additional supplements to strengthen the immune system. The Chinese don't have a vaccine yet and this thing is already mutating (according to an article I've seen).
Looks like you just want to argue. Racism and colonization are two totally different things, although racism is rooted in colonization. What does the annexation of Tibet and Xinjiang have to do with China and Africa's current relationship, NOTHING!
Arguing as in bickering, I have no interest in that. Arguing as in debating, count me in. The situation of Tibet and the Xinjiang have to do with the China-Africa relationship in that the Chinese government is one of the few countries (Israel is another one) still practicing colonialism and having concentration camps in the 21st century, long after European powers have gave their African colonies independence. Knowing this I wouldn't keep high hopes regarding China's policy in Africa.
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China's positioning and or that of the West is not a win win. Who said that? The reality is that China does business and is the major manufacturer in the world. Not Africa, not USA, not EU, not India, but China. That is how it is at the moment and that won't change because people are upset. I have a clear perspective on how to reshuffle the deck at least where it will benefit Africans.
How will Africans beenfit from that? Owning more Chinese cheaply made goods? It reminds of the junk used by old time colonizers to buy slaves from Africans.
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So the face of COVID19 is a black one.
Anywhere in the world the COVID-19 has a Chinese face. Some even call it the "Chinese virus"
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Colonization was not good for Africa and I can't see any country where it benefited the people they enslaved and or their descendants.
Slavery in Africa didn't start with the European colonization, and didn't end with the independence movements.
Arguing as in bickering, I have no interest in that. Arguing as in debating, count me in. The situation of Tibet and the Xinjiang have to do with the China-Africa relationship in that the Chinese government is one of the few countries (Israel is another one) still practicing colonialism and having concentration camps in the 21st century, long after European powers have gave their African colonies independence. Knowing this I wouldn't keep high hopes regarding China's policy in Africa.
How will Africans beenfit from that? Owning more Chinese cheaply made goods? It reminds of the junk used by old time colonizers to buy slaves from Africans.
Anywhere in the world the COVID-19 has a Chinese face. Some even call it the "Chinese virus"
Slavery in Africa didn't start with the European colonization, and didn't end with the independence movements.
Tibet & Xinjiang are not in Africa. Africa is a bit more complex. Not all countries in Africa have a high level of Chinese debt. They have their own constitutions and armies although China has perhaps 2 military basis in Africa. Am not worried about the Chinese at the moment definitely not from a colonization perspective. There are many factors pointing to this never being a reality although their influence is strong. Once Africans start producing their own commodities rather than import them the stresses on the economy are reduced for instance. Even though there are debts the ratio to the GDP is another indication that this is less likely to happen. I can go on and on. Foreigners can not own land in most parts of Africa and leases can be dissolved.
Chinese use to be known for badly and cheaply made products but this no longer is the case. Manufactured goods China owns the lion's share of this in the world. As of right now this is not going to change any time soon.
Slavery in Africa didn't start with Europe although they also owned one another as slaves and no it didn't end with independence movements I would agree with you there. In most all cases it ended as a matter of WAR.
A couple of things and some may not like what I have to say:
1. NO China is not going to colonize Africa, they never have and have been long time partners of Africa. The USA owes China a ridiculous amount of money and have done similar deals with the US as they've done in Africa and they haven't colonized the USA or Europe. No one is talking about all of the aid and free support they have given the world to combat COVID19.
2. Don't mistake the Chinese government with the Chinese people
3. What have the colonizers done for Africa - NOTHING BUT create problems and MORE DEBT
4. If the Chinese didn't work with Africa there would be lack of infrastructure and growth.
5. Before the coronavirus there weren't all of these complaints with the Chinese by Africans. Wode Maya for instance had a Chinese girlfriend, toured factories, had Chinese mentors, went to school in China and was even going to go back to China. He wasn't crying racism then.
6. The reason Chinese people have treated Africans bad is in part because how we treat our own people. The standard of life we have grown to accept.
7. The anti-Chinese sentiments are being made by people that have not and can not do anything for Africa but talk. Are these mouthpieces going to pay back the money Africa owes to China?
8. The ripple effect of this anti-Chinese sentiment can jeopardize advancements and relationships and or can be an opportunity of growth on both parts. 9. Just a few years ago China forgave much of the debt Africa accumulated and guess what happened, they got into more debt. Who does that? Our desire for importing goods we can produce at home and love for the $ is a major problem (I'm generalizing and can elaborate but there are many components of financial management that need to be assessed especially as it pertains to fiscal discipline).
10. There are some Chinese people that are not good for Africa and should be kicked out of the continent not all but some. Same can be said of westerners and they have been the worst IMO. They have brought pedophilia, drugs, pornography etc I can go on and on and this hasn't happened with Chinese people
11. Let's not come at issues from an emotional perspective. Have the Chinese shot at or arrested Africans like other (people, nations - there has been one significant issue in their past which they have atoned for). I don't understand why those Africans are in China or any part of the world where people don't want you there to begin with. Why didn't the Africans go to their embassy and complain or go home? When they left quarantine why didn't they go to their next destination? If the Chinese people didn't want them there after the quarantine why didn't they deport them? Something about these stories don't make sense. Not that I don't believe them but I believe there is more to the story.
12. It's time Africa and China try to work out some of these issues.
13. Chinese people have issues within their ethnic groups too and clearly have been having issues with Americans. I don't believe we should be jumping on this bandwagon which I believe is being manipulated and some of us are buying right into it. There are issues yes what is the solution.
14. People should do more of their research when it comes to China, Russia, and Africa relations. There are bigger games being played don't be a pon.
First off let me say I actually agree with most your points. but there debt situation aren't similar
The US actually can easy pay back the dept to China, The issue is create by the US government spending more than they taxing in. In which of course open the political debate of the left and the right. The right believe government should spend less and taxes low. While the left believe if we raise taxes of on the wealthy they can continue to spend on social services and infrastructure. it's basically politics in US of how it should be paid prevents it from being paid.
In fact the US government owns a larger share of national debt to it own self, than China.
That;s not situation between China and African nations. because the US is a completely different economic situation than Africa nations.
The US is basically going we have it but we haven't decide how were going to give it yet. While many African nations are going we don't have it now, but we might if things work out.
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I don't mean for this to be a whataboutism, but are you also outraged that Asian Americans of differing origin are on occasion subjected to hate crimes and discrimination in the United States? Do you also have the same indignation?
How DARE you try and flip this? lol. What about those same Asian-Americans beating Black women in nail salons?
First off let me say I actually agree with most your points. but there debt situation aren't similar
The US actually can easy pay back the dept to China, The issue is create by the US government spending more than they taxing in. In which of course open the political debate of the left and the right. The right believe government should spend less and taxes low. While the left believe if we raise taxes of on the wealthy they can continue to spend on social services and infrastructure. it's basically politics in US of how it should be paid prevents it from being paid.
In fact the US government owns a larger share of national debt to it own self, than China.
That;s not situation between China and African nations. because the US is a completely different economic situation than Africa nations.
The US is basically going we have it but we haven't decide how were going to give it yet. While many African nations are going we don't have it now, but we might if things work out.
The only way the US can pay off its debt to China is to print more $$$ by which your grandchildren children children etc. will have to pay for this. The Chinese own plenty of properties and companies in the USA.
The US imports far more than it produces and is corporatized, neither the left or the right want this to be changed the individuals running the show make too much $$$ for there to be real changes that benefit its citizens. Corporations don't even pay taxes.
African nations are in a differing situation for sure but their debts are manageable and can be paid off as well, there just needs to be some strategic shifts put into motion. The strategy has to involve the people and their personal development. Africa has the edge in terms of growth in the foreseeable future.
How DARE you try and flip this? lol. What about those same Asian-Americans beating Black women in nail salons?
I'm going to bow out of this thread and will continue to stay abreast of the Chinese government lying its tail off. I really hope the new breed, new generation of African leaders remember these actions. I hope the people can just use China for their money and stop the borderline veneration. Balance it out some. China is despicable to me (the attitudes they hold). Japan, Korea, everyone else is okay but the Chinese government (and those who are part of the hive) is a strange machine with childlike immaturity.
So what's the game Bayareagirl? Retaliation isn't always physical. I never said that China was to colonize, I said that they have a plan to (if they're the ones making big moves, might as well). Again, I'm not from there. Thanks for commenting but I do think it's foul. African countries have the potential to do well without the heavy dependancy of other nations to build subpar infrastructure. There has been anti African sentiments in China before this Corona thing hit, come on now.
Okay, so Africans are a virus to everyone else. Blacks/Africans do not think of Chinese any differently than whites - every non-black is the same as the next. Everybody is in it to use us and be done with it. And yes, the rich blacks and black/African politicians take advantage of the poor blacks and Africans. Otherwise, everyone else is free to maintain their status as higher status human beings. Be happy and stop complaining.
African and China will kiss and makeup soon enough, they both have too much invested into this to let it all fall apart over this.
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