02-13-2008, 08:56 PM
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A foreign company wants to create the largest open pit mine in the world, with the largest dam in the world, in the headwaters supporting the largest salmon run in the world.
The project represents short term profits for a foreign company at the expense of lost habitat and loss of renewable resources.
Once profits were taken, the foreign company would then leave their resultant mess behind for Alaskan's to clean up.
Those who would rather forego short term profits for a foreign company, in favor of protecting our habitat, and the renewable resources that rely on our maintaining that habitat, are opposed to Pebble Mine.
The trade-offs aren't worth it. There is no compelling need to trade our habitat and renewable resources for someone else's short term profits.
The history of mining operations prove that all the promises mine owners make are just that, promises and nothing more. With every promise that has been made, those promises have proven to be not only nothing but promises, the results of allowing development to proceed on the basis of promises has resulted in exactly the kind of pollution and loss that the promises were supposed to guarantee couldn't happen.
Until Alaska fixes it's permitting process to ensure protections for Alaska's water, habitat and resources, no project like Pebble should ever be considered.
You can join with other Alaskans, help protect our land, our water, and the renewable resources we all rely on, by lending your support to efforts to create and sustain public policy that protects our future.
The Alaska that is threatened by inadequate controls on development belongs to all Americans, not just Alaska residents. I would urge everyone to commit to doing something to help protect our heritage and join with others who want to leave a truly productive legacy for those who come after us.
Contact Alaska state and federal officials, or members of your own congressional delegation if you're not an Alaskan, and demand they oppose the mine right now and publicly. Please write, call or fax your congressional reps and also Governor Palin, Ted Stevens, Don Young, Lisa Murkowski, and or members of the Alaska State Legislature.
Addresses of the Alaska State Legislature can be found at:
http://w3.legis.state.ak.us/home.htm
Another way to help is to join the Alaska Renewable Resources Coalition.
Renewable Resources Coalition - Membership (http://www.renewableresourcescoalition.org/join_rrc.htm - broken link)
Your small membership fee will help fund efforts to protect Alaska.
More links for more information.
Stop Pebble Mine | Pebble Mine Opposition Group from Bristol Bay
Report Proves Pebble Mine Would Destroy Salmon Spawning Areas. - Free Online Library
Site of the Proposed Pebble Mine: A Photoessay by Erin McKittrick
Pebble Mine Facts
NPR: Alaskan Kids Say No to a Gold Mine
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02-13-2008, 09:13 PM
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Oh...I cannot and will not discuss the particulars, but the little gold mine I work at seems to be in quite a state of turmoil just now.
02-14-2008, 07:34 AM
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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I will contact my legislators and ENCOURAGE them to vote FOR opening the Pebble mine.
02-14-2008, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
stiffnecked
what hype the bunny huggers will spew...
Some folks aren't able to distinguish which is hype, nor where it's coming from.
Those who promise 'responsible' development are the ones who are pushing hype.
Let's see if there's a pattern to the 'hype':
1991
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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issues a Notice of Violation stating that certain mine operations were not in compliance with conditions of the Red Dog mine air permit
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: EPA fined Cominco for illegally discharging heavy metals into a nearby creek –134 separate permit violations.
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Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation issues warning to the Red Dog mine that lead levels outside the mill are 30 % higher than what is considered to be protective of human health.
http://www.northern.org/artman/publish/reddogfact.pdf (broken link)
1997
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According to a lawsuit brought by the U.S. Department of Justice,
#294: 07-14-97 - Alaska Mining Company Agrees to $4.7 Million Environmental Settlement
Red Dog 'promises' they won't pollute again.
1998
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The Red Dog mine in northwest Alaska -- the largest lead and zinc mine in the world -- is being required by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to reduce the toxic metals in the effluent it discharges to an Alaskan river system which is the spawning ground for important marine and fresh-water fisheries.
Alaska's Red Dog Mine Required to Reduce Pollutant Discharges | Newsroom | US EPA
Red Dog 'promises' not to pollute again
2003
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Red Dog Mine agrees to pay fine for 18 state air quality violations.
http://www.northern.org/artman/publish/reddogfact.pdf (broken link)
2005
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The operators of the Red Dog Mine, the world’s largest lead and zinc mine, agreed to pay civil penalties...
Alaska Mining Company Agrees to Pay $33,000 for Discharges to the Chukchi Sea | Newsroom | US EPA
2006
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Red Dog mine remains at the top of the Environmental Protection Agency’s national Toxic Release Inventory for the third straight year, but owner Teck Cominco wants the public to know...
MINING NEWS: Red Dog closely monitoring toxic releases - April 23, 2006 - Petroleum News
More promises....... more violations.
2008
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U.S. Supreme Court declines to block case
MINING NEWS: U.S. Supreme Court declines to block case - January 27, 2008 - Petroleum News
Suppose those promises were all hype?
Suppose it's just one operator?
2006
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MINING NEWS: Greens Creek settles with EPA
MINING NEWS: Greens Creek settles with EPA - June 25, 2006 - Petroleum News
2006
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Coeur Alaska Inc. has agreed to pay an EPA penalty ....to resolve federal Clean Water Act violations at the Kensington Gold Project
Coeur Alaska Inc. agrees to pay over $100,000 to settle Clean Water Act violations | Newsroom | US EPA
2007
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Two workers killed in a construction accident at a gold mine last year were not properly trained
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22708916/for/cnbc (broken link)
2007
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Ever since prospectors rushed to the Yukon seeking gold more than a century ago, miners have been guilty of extracting the mineral riches in the North and doing a vanishing act when the veins petered out or prices fell. These miners often left behind environmental messes that occasionally became regulatory nightmares.
MINING NEWS: Unique operator cleans up old messes - February 25, 2007 - Petroleum News
(This is the industry's own publication which confirms this truism isn't hype.)
More hype?
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USACE placed various mitigation measures on the Rock Creek Mine Project to mitigate environmental damage from this project as well as damage caused by the earlier mining activities.
The Gold Rush is Back on in Alaska: Ninth Circuit Upholds USACE Permit Allowing Mining Involving Significant Filling of Wetlands : Abbott & Kindermann Land Use Law Blog
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The Red Dog mine in northwestern Alaska had 134 violations of effluent limitations and 28 separate violations for failing to report these violations.
Juneau After the Gold Rush
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The Greens Creek Mine, located on Admiralty Island in Southeast Alaska, ...had been cited for 391 violations of the Clean Water Act by 2003.
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The Zortman-Landusky gold mine near the Fort Belnap Indian Reservation in central Montana ran from 1989 to 1998 when its operator, Pegasus Gold Inc., abandoned the site and filed for bankruptcy, leaving behind a $33 million cleanup tab.
Kenai Peninsula Online - Alaska Newspaper -
None of this is 'hype', the only hype one hears is from those who favor irresponsible development with no regard for the future.
Care to read more?
Quote:
Fact Sheets for Alaska Mines and Exploration Projects
Northern Alaska Environmental Center :: Mining :: Alaska Mining Press Kit (http://www.northern.org/artman/publish/mpress.shtml - broken link)
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In Alaska, there are over 400 abandoned mines
Costs and Benefits of Industrial Hard Rock Mining in Alaska
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02-14-2008, 10:39 AM
Location: Prince of Wales Island Alaska
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Open pit 2 miles long and a half-mile wide and over 1,700 feet deep. It will never happen....
02-14-2008, 10:50 AM
Location: Prince of Wales Island Alaska
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BRISTOL BAY ALLIANCE Pure water is more precious than gold Pure water is more precious than gold (http://www.bristolbayalliance.com/pledge.htm - broken link)
02-14-2008, 12:05 PM
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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I've signed.
02-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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If you keep shutting down the development of natural resources than what pray tell should we do for jobs???? Once a country quits producing products from raw resources they simply become a consumer nation. When they happens the whole house of cards will soon collapse.
02-14-2008, 02:47 PM
Location: Alaska
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
stiffnecked
Trust me I'm all for saving the enviroment and all that jazz. But if you can't provide jobs and people can't put bread on the table and roof over there heads it all doesn't really matter does it????
Tell it to Wyoming. Same kind of promises. they come in, tear hell out of the land, take the money and leave, and Wyoming still doesn't pay jack on wages or has abundant decent housing.
Modern mining is nothing more than 21st century rape and pillage.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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