How are you going to deal with the doubled cost of heating this winter? (Palmer: tax, move to)

[arctichomesteader]

Coal gasification used to be a big thing in the U.S. and Europe (and Canada of course). For gas for lighting mainly, later on heating and cooking. The byproduct was refined down into various fuels, including something resembling kerosene (hence the term coal oil in reference to kerosene lamps, since lamps burning coal oil came out before kerosene from crude oil did). In any case, the biggest problem is pollution. Old coal gas plant sites these days are still often quite heavily contaminated despite the fact that coal gas hasn't been used on a large scale in decades. Once this problem can be solved it can help with some of the energy problems. I'm thinking about making a wood gas generator for my own use on my "homestead," works pretty much the same way, except I'll use the gas straight as it comes from the generator after a bit of cleaning. Coal gas and wood gas are both poisonous unburnt, since they contain a lot of carbon monoxide, so I think liability issues may also hold the technology back from being used on a wide scale again. If a person has a natural gas leak, it's possible it can explode, but it's relatively non-toxic. A coal gas or wood gas leak, however, and you're looking at carbon monoxide poisoning pretty quickly. Abraham Lincoln almost died in 1864 from a coal gas leak (from the gas lighting).

[gallon]

Originally Posted by Barkingowl

Ray what does it matter how much CO2 gas is released? I'd think that the 2 volcanoes erupting in the Aleutians are putting out vastly more CO2 than a plant could ever hope to emit.

You know what CO2 is good for? Plants. Green plants consume CO2 right out of the air. Thats how plants get their carbon, and then they exhale oxygen.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by gallon

You know what CO2 is good for? Plants. Green plants consume CO2 right out of the air. Thats how plants get their carbon, and then they exhale oxygen.

Yeah but we need enough plants for it.

[Classic Satch]

This whole C02/Global warming issue is one of the biggest hoaxes ever attempted in human history.

On one hand, you have leftist politicians pushing this garbage because they'll be able to jack taxes up to fight a non-existent problem and therefore exert more control over people's lives.

On the other, you have many scientists who have sacrificed their integrity for the lure of billions in government grants to study a purely made-up crisis. It's disgusting actually.

The hypothesis of dangerous human-caused warming caused by CO2 emission is embroiled in uncertainties of the fundamental science and its interpretation, and by fallacious public discussion. It is utterly bizarre that, in face of this reality, public funding of many billions of dollars is still being provided for climate change research. It is even more bizarre that most governments, urged on by environmental NGSs and other self-interested parties, have either already introduced carbon taxation or trading systems (Europe; some groups of US States), or have indicated a firm intention to do so (Australia).
At its most basic, if scientists cannot be sure that temperatures are today rising, nor establish that the gentle late 20th century warming was caused by CO2 emissions, then it is nonsense to propose that expensive controls are needed on human carbon dioxide emissions.

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Fallacies about Global Warming (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/sppi_originals/fallacies_about_global_warming.html - broken link)

The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%;

CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;

Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;

The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;

The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;

“Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;

Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;

The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;

It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;

Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;

In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Proved: There is No Climate Crisis

[gallon]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Yeah but we need enough plants for it.

Pity about loosing the Amazon rainforest then.

[Barkingowl]

Well what about the rainforest in Juneau?

[gallon]

Originally Posted by Classic Satch

This whole C02/Global warming issue is one of the biggest hoaxes ever attempted in human history.

On one hand, you have leftist politicians pushing this garbage because they'll be able to jack taxes up to fight a non-existent problem and therefore exert more control over people's lives.

On the other, you have many scientists who have sacrificed their integrity for the lure of billions in government grants to study a purely made-up crisis. It's disgusting actually.

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Fallacies about Global Warming (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/sppi_originals/fallacies_about_global_warming.html - broken link)

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Proved: There is No Climate Crisis

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[gallon]

Originally Posted by Barkingowl

Well what about the rainforest in Juneau?

Green is good.

[Classic Satch]

Originally Posted by gallon

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Huh? Just exposing some myths that could cost us all dearly if a certain individual is elected president and imposes idiotic "carbon taxes" and other such nonsense. You want to talk about increased heating costs if the inmates take total control of the asylum, which could happen(God I hope not) this November?

[Barkingowl]

Don't forget Satch, a carbon tax will be a tax on our right to breathe. We produce carbon you know?