Alaskan Politics (statewide and nationwide) (Metlakatla: suite, atheist, windows)

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

The evidence is overwhelming that elections do make a difference. Consider, for example, the stolen election of 2000. 4000 American soldiers and 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians met with their death solely on account of that event (of Bush getting installed in the White House). Because of that singular happenstance, today mothers are missing their sons, wives are missing their husbands, fathers missing their daughters...you get the point.

And if they weren't you don't think we would have had more 9/11's had it not been for their sacrifice so people can whine about it. Bush has done some pretty dumb stuff, but protecting America at war isn't one of them.

Almost Seven years and no attacks on our streets, verses what, you want them here?

Stolen votes, that is such garbage, if Obama wins, he wins, if he loses, he loses, no stolen election about it but that will be the left's chant (or whine). The system works, not well at times mind you, but it works.

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by starlite9

And if they weren't you don't think we would have had more 9/11's had it not been for their sacrifice so people can whine about it. Bush has done some pretty dumb stuff, but protecting America at war isn't one of them.

Almost Seven years and no attacks on our streets, verses what, you want them here?

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Only dittoheads who listen to Rush and buttheads who unquestioningly imbibe every word fed to them by Fox News believe otherwise.

When the memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" was presented to Bush before 9/11, he...well, you should find out for yourself. Google is your guide.

[icarian]

Notrees...I know you all love your political discussion (I do find it amusing to read, too), but...Starlite did NOT say Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Read it again, then discuss amongst yourselves.

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by icarian

Notrees...I know you all love your political discussion (I do find it amusing to read, too), but...Starlite did NOT say Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Read it again, then discuss amongst yourselves.

Icarian,

True, he did not directly say it. I got the feeling that he was implying it ("we would have had more 9/11's etc etc). Even conceding that he does not believe that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, his assertion is demonstrably false. Bush essentially withdrew all focus from Afghanistan and pitched his tent in Iraq. The side effects have been an incalculable damage to America's military might and its perception around the world. Mind you, Afghanistan was where all of Bin Laden's hordes operated out of and are now resurgent.

That remark about "Almost Seven years and no attacks on our streets" is hogwash. It is generally believed that Al Qaida works on its own time-table. An open democratic country such as ours will always be vulnerable to acts of terrorism. That is the price we pay for being a free and open society. What the government can - and should - do is institute safeguards, erect suitable defenses, deploy first-rate intelligence procedures, initiate counter-measures and all that kind of stuff. Remember that you may thwart 100 attacks but it takes only one. To give Bush credit for "No attacks since 9/11" is like saying "I haven't been killed and eaten by a bear these last 10 years while on a hike." The danger will always be there regardless of who is president. What IS criminal negligence, however, is the reaction (rather, non-reaction) of Bush when he was presented with the memo bearing that dramatic title "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States."

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by Moose Whisperer View Post
Yea Met, that's the most amazing part, that you actually believe that this (or any) election will ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

And it's interesting to me that you think that they don't.

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Only dittoheads who listen to Rush and buttheads who unquestioningly imbibe every word fed to them by Fox News believe otherwise.

When the memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" was presented to Bush before 9/11, he...well, you should find out for yourself. Google is your guide.

No, Iraq was over the UN sanctions, Weapons of Mass Destruction and a list of other such oddities that the Left seems to ignore. But since you are on that, there were Hundreds of thousands of shallow graves "Before" we went to war. Many that have died there since then, did so shooting at our troops with an AK-47's or RPG's in their hand, don't feel a bit sorry for that wave of dead Iraqi's, and most of the Innocent ones were killed by the militants, which isn't our fault either.

Militants bombing schools, shopping bazaars and kids getting candy from our troops is what? Something you support.... Your rants clearly point that direction.

I wouldn't trade 10,000 dead militants for one US Soldier's loss, your side of the street can't fathom that at all. If they try to kill our boys, then let the militants get to Allah a bit faster, bigger the numbers, the better.

As for their "Time table", they were killing Americans at about six month intervals before Bush took the fight to them. 9/11 was the last shot at them doing so, until Obama waves the white flag and lets them regroup....

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by starlite9

No, Iraq was over the UN sanctions, Weapons of Mass Destruction and a list of other such oddities that the Left seems to ignore. But since you are on that, there were Hundreds of thousands of shallow graves "Before" we went to war. Many that have died there since then, did so shooting at our troops with an AK-47's or RPG's in their hand, don't feel a bit sorry for that wave of dead Iraqi's, and most of the Innocent ones were killed by the militants, which isn't our fault either.

Militants bombing schools, shopping bazaars and kids getting candy from our troops is what? Something you support.... Your rants clearly point that direction.

I wouldn't trade 10,000 dead militants for one US Soldier's loss, your side of the street can't fathom that at all. If they try to kill our boys, then let the militants get to Allah a bit faster, bigger the numbers, the better.

Icarian - please take note of the funnies in this post :-)

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

Icarian - please take note of the funnies in this post :-)

What you can't respond with some form of inteligence to facts?

[Moose Whisperer]

Originally Posted by starlite9

No, Iraq was over the UN sanctions, Weapons of Mass Destruction and a list of other such oddities that the Left seems to ignore. But since you are on that, there were Hundreds of thousands of shallow graves "Before" we went to war. Many that have died there since then, did so shooting at our troops with an AK-47's or RPG's in their hand, don't feel a bit sorry for that wave of dead Iraqi's, and most of the Innocent ones were killed by the militants, which isn't our fault either.

Militants bombing schools, shopping bazaars and kids getting candy from our troops is what? Something you support.... Your rants clearly point that direction.

I wouldn't trade 10,000 dead militants for one US Soldier's loss, your side of the street can't fathom that at all. If they try to kill our boys, then let the militants get to Allah a bit faster, bigger the numbers, the better.

As for their "Time table", they were killing Americans at about six month intervals before Bush took the fight to them. 9/11 was the last shot at them doing so, until Obama waves the white flag and lets them regroup....

Bravo Starlite!

[Moose Whisperer]

Originally Posted by starlite9

What you can't respond with some form of inteligence to facts?

Trying to conduct a rational conversation with the guy is impossible - his mind is completely warped with left-wing-blogosphere invictive. Try putting him on your "ignore list" instead. It makes life so much more pleasant. It's kind of like on-line mosquito repellant!