BP spill is already far larger than the 1989 Exxon Valdez (Pelican: real estate, 2013)

[GrammasCabin]

Originally Posted by richelles

For those of you who want to voice your concern use Tony's toll free number to call BP and tell him, as I did as a stockholder, they should stop using the money to run that aggravating commercial and use that money to clean up the mess they've made of the GOM.

CALL 1-866-448-5816

Thanks richelles. I just gave them 'ell.

[Manmountain]

Originally Posted by richelles

For those of you who want to voice your concern use Tony's toll free number to call BP and tell him, as I did as a stockholder, they should stop using the money to run that aggravating commercial and use that money to clean up the mess they've made of the GOM.

CALL 1-866-448-5816

This disaster will become an epic preportion event. The relation of one part to another or to the whole with respect to magnitude, quantity, or degree will make the ratio that will destroy most life undefined mapping area. 3 more months of this. This is killing me. Epic crisis . Moving the locals out? Dire.
5 billion $ per day is the National debt. 15 trill$ by Dec 2010. Wana move to Alakshak and experience the Big Land? Better do your homework.
The only way out for US dollar asset is devaluation. (whats devaluation ?you lose)
Dow 3000 --You do the math on the off the charts destruction left in that path. Vat taxes will take whatever us slaves have to take. Like being a slave?

Time to stop/turnoff the insanity machine. sad your money will be devalued 70% will get the people moving. Yes YOU....'Cause your everybody else'.

A friend a commercial fisherman in AK of 30 years says PWS is still not worthwhile and never got any $'s from Exxon.

[Captain Crunch]

yep....they ripped everybody a new one with the blessing of the right wing Supreme Court

All but our resident deckhand/paint scraper, according to him they made out like bandits and all is back to normal...

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by Captain Crunch

yep....they ripped everybody a new one with the blessing of the right wing Supreme Court

All but our resident deckhand/paint scraper, according to him they made out like bandits and all is back to normal...

And with the blessing of the former half term governor as well....or was that just another sell out of the people of Alaska when the ditz couldn't think of a Supreme Court decision that she disagreed with besides Roe vs Wade.

[NomadicBear]

Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill. The US and Europe ignore it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-delta-shell

"Forest and farmland were now covered in a sheen of greasy oil. Drinking wells were polluted and people were distraught. No one knew how much oil had leaked. "We lost our nets, huts and fishing pots," said Chief Promise, village leader of Otuegwe and our guide. "This is where we fished and farmed. We have lost our forest. We told Shell of the spill within days, but they did nothing for six months."

That was the Niger delta a few years ago, where, according to Nigerian academics, writers and environment groups, oil companies have acted with such impunity and recklessness that much of the region has been devastated by leaks.

In fact, more oil is spilled from the delta's network of terminals, pipes, pumping stations and oil platforms every year than has been lost in the Gulf of Mexico, the site of a major ecological catastrophe caused by oil that has poured from a leak triggered by the explosion that wrecked BP's Deepwater Horizon rig last month."


The big corporations and their fat cat CEO pigmen are so completely out of control that it's time we stop them. Enough is enough. I saw a documentary on this crisis in the Niger delta, and the indigenous people are dying of cancer at alarming rates, their whole environment polluted and in ruins. They have no clean drinking water, healthy food, or clean air to breath. They have not benefited one bit from the rapacious greed and exploitation by outsiders for their natural resources.

[Homesteader]

Hey Nomad. . fixed it.

I definitely get caught up in that same meme. However, what I loath is actually western civilization. . . which in the last couple of hundred years has gone global. If you haven't done so already I think you would get a lot out of the books by Daniel Quinn: Ishamael, The Story of B, and My Ishmael.

This thing called "civilization" we have all grown up in is the big issue, IMO, not being human. Many forms of human society have existed for several million years and done no more damage to the planet than lions, caribou or whales. Yet ours, which arose with the advent of agriculture in the fertile crescent about 10,000 years ago has, in a relative blink of an eye, caused the array of global ecological disasters we have before us today. In the process this thing called "civilization" has been a totalitarian juggernaut that has exterminated whatever has been an obstacle in its path, be it other human societies or species. We became conditioned to think of genocide, insecticide, pesticides, etc. . .to be good things. Nevermind that a coyote killed a sheep, we were hell-bent on killing all coyotes everywhere. A good indian is a dead indian. . . etc. . .

I have to think it is our human-ness that will get us through to the other side of civilization, which is clearly by any metric unsustainable. Also obvious is that waiting for the Corptocracy along with their buttbuddies in government is a fools game. It is up to us to pull up our panties and get on with the process of creating resiliant, sustainable families, towns and regions. We are genetically coded to live in groups of 50-200.

A wise person once told me that once you are starving it is too late to plant a garden. Each of us need to take concrete steps to reduce our reliance and useage of oil while we still have the luxury of time. A recent chart used by our military for planning purposes shows global oil production going into terminal decline in 2012. That is only 18 months away folks. It shows a 25% decline by 2020 and a 50% decline by 2030. What the chart does not show is that the available energy for use by society (you and me) declines much faster. The ongoing BP disaster is an object lesson in why this is true. Deepwater oil takes far, far more energy to produce than the oil on land a few hundred feet below the surface.

Personally, I'm flying out of this armpit called Kuwait on Tuesday evening. My wife and I have been working as teachers here for the past few years. We land in Ketchikan on Wednesday, and thence to POW. We are buying a place on POW with the goal of making it fossil fuel free. We get great satisfaction by living simple lives.

I'd like to point out one thing about renewable/alternative energy. The solar panels, hydro-electric systems and wind turbines are all designed, manufactured and maintained with huge inputs of oil and coal. This, obviously, makes them unsustainable. These devices, with the exception of large hydro systems, do not transform enough energy from their renewable source to manufacture themselves, maintain themselves, educate the workforce needed, etc. . .Also, they only produce electricity. They don't provide feedstock for plastics, pharmceuticals, jet fuel etc. . .

Renewables are not panaceas. . . but at the moment they are the only alternative we have. Hydrogen takes more energy to split from water than it provides. . . so don't hold your breath there.

Do yourself a favor and buy from your neighbor. Start today.

Anyway. . . the movers come tomorrow so I have stuff I have to get done. I'll be fishing no later than next Friday. Damn!

[NomadicBear]

You'll notice that I omitted that phrase you quoted from my post- apparently a little late. Sometimes my rants can be a bit inflammatory when I'm riled up and I do a little chopping when I settle down.

I think the days of shipping food and goods across the world due to cheap oil are certainly numbered. It's the "when" I cannot answer. I like your idea of getting off fossil fuels. I've really limited my use of gasoline and diesel over the course of the past few years. The price spike was the writing on the wall for me.

Personally, I'm in search of a place where I can meet like minded people and spend the rest of my life building friendships and being part of a community. I just haven't found it yet. I want the opportunity to be able to afford some small acreage without mortgaging my future, so high cost areas are out. But this is a whole other topic, so I'll leave it for another thread.

[Homesteader]

Contractor: BP Is Trying To Hide Dead Animals, Since The Ocean Will Eventually Wash Away The Evidence

In recent weeks, reporters and photographers for major news organizations around the country have been speaking out about the attempts by BP to prevent them from getting a first-hand look at the Gulf Coast oil spill. A CBS News crew was threatened with arrest when it tried to photograph the spill, and a BP representative in Louisiana told a Mother Jones reporter that she couldn’t visit the Elmer’s Island Wildlife Refuge without a BP escort.

On Monday, journalists from the New York Daily News were also “escorted away from a public beach on Elmer’s Island bycops who said they were taking orders from BP.” However, they managed to get a covert tour of the Queen Bess barrier island from a BP contractor who is fed up with the oil company’s attempt to cover up the disaster:

“There is a lot of coverup for BP. They specifically informed us that they don’t want these pictures of the dead animals. They know the ocean will wipe away most of the evidence. It’s important to me that people know the truth about what’s going on here,” the contractor said.

“The things I’ve seen: They just aren’t right. All the life out here is just full of oil. I’m going to show you what BP never showed the President.” [...]

The grasses by the shore were littered with tarred marine life, some dead and others struggling under a thick coating of crude.

“When you see some of the things I’ve seen, it would make you sick,” the contractor said. “No living creature should endure that kind of suffering.”

“BP is going to say the deaths of these animals wasn’t oil-related,” the contractor added. “We know the truth. I hope these pictures get to the right people — to someone who can do something.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/02/bp-oil-animals-death/

[Captain Crunch]

BP doesn't want the pictures and video of dead and dying oil soaked birds let out for the public to see

Over the last couple days all the news outlets have been showing 100's of pictures and video clips of the oil soaked dying birds

The public outrage is going to ugly now.....

All these motor-mount BP people that have been giving these phony interviews better be running for cover and hiring body guards...their lives are at risk, especially that POS Tony Hayward, BP CEO

[Captain Crunch]

Tony....I want my life back also