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Hum... the same could be said of 'standard' cancer treatments
The link says "one related death in Texas..." (before 1989) -- I just would have thought there would/could have been WAY more, if it's so dangerous.... just sayin'
Any chemist (which I am) knows the H2O2 is a potent oxidizing agent. It CREATES free radicals which PROMOTE oxidation. In fact, it is used to catalyse many free-radical reactions. In this regard it isn't chemically different than the tube of catalyst they give you to harden auto body filler. The only reason it's not doing major, acute damage to you is that it's also unstable and readily decomposes to water and oxygen. However - it does so by a free radical mechanism that generates hydroxyl radicals. Did you know that hydroxyl radicals are responsible for the decomposition of plastics (as when it gets old and brittle)?
Using it topically in dilute form is one thing. Drinking it is quite another. And if you think it "cured cancer" then it either wasn't cancer or it was in remission anyway. And if you believe that eating foods "rich in natural antioxidants" is the way to go, then drinking this stuff is completely undoing any benefit that all your blueberries and pomegranates might bring.
Feel free to believe that this is doing you some good, if your belief system causes you to think that well established science is a plot or just propaganda from the industrial/chem/pharma/govt machine. Good luck with that.
Hydroxyl radicals. Good to know. Just so I'm crystal clear, those radicals negate the additional of hydrogen and oxygen to cells?
I have used it a few times to see the effect. The first few times I most definitely felt a surge in energy (not placebo effect ) i was assuming it was from the oxygen although I understand o2 is a free radical. My lungs do not take in enough due to some minor lung compression from scoliosis. Last few time, i felt pressure behind my eyes- as if i swallowed hydrogen peroxide kinda feeling- so i stopped.
It's still in my freezer. Would love to know any other good uses for it besides chucking it.
Hydroxyl radicals. Good to know. Just so I'm crystal clear, 1. those radicals negate the additional of hydrogen and oxygen to cells?
I have used it a few times to see the effect. The first few times I most definitely felt a surge in energy (not placebo effect ) i was assuming it was from the oxygen although 2. I understand o2 is a free radical. My lungs do not take in enough due to some minor lung compression from scoliosis. Last few time, i felt pressure behind my eyes- as if i swallowed hydrogen peroxide kinda feeling- so i stopped.
It's still in my freezer. Would love to know any other good uses for it besides chucking it.
1. This statement has no basis in chemistry or cellular biology.
2. No. O2, oxygen, is not a free radical. It is a relative stable molecule unless acted upon is some way. A free radical is a structure with an unbonded electron that is able to chemically react with whatever is in proximity (on a molecular scale). Free radicals can cleave DNA, polymerize monomers, depolymerize polymers and much else. They are also at the root of many (most!) degradation reactions. O2 DOES cause oxidation to many materials.
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Hum... the same could be said of 'standard' cancer treatments
The link says "one related death in Texas..." (before 1989) -- I just would have thought there would/could have been WAY more, if it's so dangerous.... just sayin'
Since H2O2 isn't regulated by the FDA and any moron can drink peroxide if they choose without it having to be reported to any regulatory agency, there likely have been WAY more injuries and deaths.....just saying
Also, unlike 'standard' cancer treatments which actually have a track record of curing cancer, the next person "cured" of cancer by drinking peroxide will be the first, seeing as it has never happened before
It is a disappointment to ask a legitimate and relevant question from a professional "chemist" on a message board yet not get an actual answer. I have been interested in this subject for a while and was very excited to see that a professional chemist was chiming in to help myself and others understand it better.
I did some more layman research on O2 and free radicals . My research indicates that although O2 is NOT a free radical, it is a precursor to many free radicals (or most or all?). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
And please forgive my "tablet typos" in the first part of my question. What I was wondering was that if you were to add pure hydrogen and oxygen to the body, not in H2O2 form, would this in any way be helpful to the body?
It is a disappointment to ask a legitimate and relevant question from a professional "chemist" on a message board yet not get an actual answer. I have been interested in this subject for a while and was very excited to see that a professional chemist was chiming in to help myself and others understand it better.
I did some more layman research on O2 and free radicals . My research indicates that although O2 is NOT a free radical, it is a precursor to many free radicals (or most or all?). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
And please forgive my "tablet typos" in the first part of my question. What I was wondering was that if you were to add pure hydrogen and oxygen to the body, not in H2O2 form, would this in any way be helpful to the body?
Thank you.
Actually I think I did answer the question "Hydroxyl radicals. Good to know. Just so I'm crystal clear, those radicals negate the additional of hydrogen and oxygen to cells?" Unfortunately the question itself doesn't just make sense chemically. "Adding pure O2 and H2 to the body" also needs a lot of restatement to make sense. When you breathe you're adding oxygen to the body. When you breathe O2 from a tank you're adding more oxygen. Does this have any effect? Well, maybe, if your lungs don't work right or you have a heart condition. Sitting in a hyperbaric O2 chamber would add O2 to your body, but it's far from clear what that would accomplish. I'm not aware of effect of breathing or otherwise ingesting hydrogen. Free hydrogen (the gas) has no direct biological effect that I'm aware of. Anyway, talking about radicals, O2, H2 etc in isolation is a very incomplete way of thinking about what's going on at a cellular, biochemical level. Biology just doesn't work that way.
As for O2 being a precursor for radicals, that's kind of true. Peroxides are a broad class of molecules centered around 2 oxygen atoms in a line. If the bond between the oxygens is broken the result is 2 free radicals. But you don't get peroxides from gaseous oxygen, they are formed by much more complex pathways. The bottom line, IMO, is that unless you have a lung or heart problem, adding or subtrating O2 from your system (except by breathing) is trying to outsmart a very complex system - your body - that works quite well. When skiing at high altitude I've been known to take oxygen hits. Truth be told I couldn't say that it had any effect, at least not on me at 12,000 ft.
Last edited by kletter1mann; 09-04-2014 at 05:00 PM..
Reason: omitted a key point
Nobody flat out drank it and nobody used high strength peroxide. It was food grade and highly diluted. You may not have caught that in my post.
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