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Old 10-15-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I'd go with a natural alternative rather than the Amifostine that doctors can give with the chemo to lessen the bad effects....everyones different though.
I just can't trust a doctor who gives a very toxic chemo drug to me to also give me the antioxidants that I'd need.

 
Old 10-15-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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there's antioxidants and neuroprotectant properties in Cannabis...as well as huge anti-inflammatory properties.
A small amount ingested every day is a good preventative as well....and no, you wouldn't get high or stoned off it.

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Old 10-15-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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I use some cannabis on my knees in a salve form but I'll continue to consume my antioxidants to hopefully prevent cancers.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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Just heard Paul Allen, co founder of Microsoft, died at 65, so young and bright and talk about money...can't help but wonder if he didn't take antioxidants...
 
Old 10-15-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...da-good-thing/

Anyone being treated for cancer should take no vitamins or supplements without running it by his doctor first.
This is a good article and probably a surprise to many. I was one who loaded up on antioxidants. I was a distance runner training for races from 5Ks to marathons. I was lead to believe that antioxidants would help my recovery and allow me to train harder. The research over the past 10 years or so has been a shock to me. As this article points out, antioxidants often have the opposite effect than what we thought. The jury is still out on cancer prevention but some studies have pointed to negative outcomes associated with antioxidants and cancer. See the following:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-cancer-worse/

https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight...revent-cancer/

https://www.statnews.com/2016/02/14/...romote-cancer/

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Old 10-16-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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Just heard Paul Allen, co founder of Microsoft, died at 65, so young and bright and talk about money...can't help but wonder if he didn't take antioxidants...
Not a single study has ever shown a benefit to taking anti oxidants to prevent or treat cancer so it really wouldn't have mattered one way or another if Paul Allen took antioxidants

"Overall, these nine randomized controlled clinical trials did not provide evidence that dietary antioxidant supplements are beneficial in primary cancer prevention. In addition, a systematic review of the available evidence regarding the use of vitamin and mineral supplements for the prevention of chronic diseases, including cancer, conducted for the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) likewise found no clear evidence of benefit in preventing cancer "
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nts-fact-sheet
 
Old 10-16-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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Not a single study has ever shown a benefit to taking anti oxidants to prevent or treat cancer so it really wouldn't have mattered one way or another if Paul Allen took antioxidants

"Overall, these nine randomized controlled clinical trials did not provide evidence that dietary antioxidant supplements are beneficial in primary cancer prevention. "
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nts-fact-sheet
I gather these "studies" were done by the same people that say chemotherapy is safe.
Anti-oxidants play a HUGE part in the maintenance of good health.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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This is a good article and probably a surprise to many. I was one who loaded up on antioxidants. I was a distance runner training for races from 5Ks to marathons. I was lead to believe that antioxidants would help my recovery and allow me to train harder. The research over the past 10 years or so has been a shock to me. As this article points out, antioxidants often have the opposite effect than what we thought. The jury is still out on cancer prevention but some studies have pointed to negative outcomes associated with antioxidants and cancer. See the following:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-cancer-worse/

https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight...revent-cancer/

https://www.statnews.com/2016/02/14/...romote-cancer/

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

Right, just because something is good for you doesn't mean that more is better. Too much of just about anything can cause adverse effects.

Some people were helped with mega doses of antioxidants along with conventional cancer treatment, but the idea that mega doses might prevent cancer has not panned out after decades of research. There is considerable evidence of adverse effects.

As noted in the articles, mega doses of antioxidants can promote the growth of cancer cells. For all we know, Paul Allen may have been taking mega doses of antioxidants which potentially could have promoted his cancer.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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not a single study has ever shown a benefit to taking anti oxidants to prevent or treat cancer so it really wouldn't have mattered one way or another if paul allen took antioxidants

"overall, these nine randomized controlled clinical trials did not provide evidence that dietary antioxidant supplements are beneficial in primary cancer prevention. In addition, a systematic review of the available evidence regarding the use of vitamin and mineral supplements for the prevention of chronic diseases, including cancer, conducted for the united states preventive services task force (uspstf) likewise found no clear evidence of benefit in preventing cancer "
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nts-fact-sheet
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this is a good article and probably a surprise to many. i was one who loaded up on antioxidants. I was a distance runner training for races from 5ks to marathons. I was lead to believe that antioxidants would help my recovery and allow me to train harder. The research over the past 10 years or so has been a shock to me. As this article points out, antioxidants often have the opposite effect than what we thought. the jury is still out on cancer prevention but some studies have pointed to negative outcomes associated with antioxidants and cancer. See the following:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-cancer-worse/

https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight...revent-cancer/

https://www.statnews.com/2016/02/14/...romote-cancer/

sage journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research
+1.
 
Old 10-16-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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I gather these "studies" were done by the same people that say chemotherapy is safe.
Anti-oxidants play a HUGE part in the maintenance of good health.
Well you gather wrong. The chemotherapy studies show exactly what the side effects are. They are listed, all of them, in their horrible diversity. Its never been hidden. And post-approval monitoring has shown a few more horrible ones that weren't uncovered in clinical trials. The decision is down to the individual - I don't think I've ever met a doctor who doesn't let the patient know that the side-effects of chemo are harsh.

As for the "same people" - that's just childish. The studies are meta-analyses performed on other studies down by thousands of unconnected individuals all over the world. Don't confuse your conspiracy dogma with the actuality.
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