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Old 07-09-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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Yes, but half of Chile would say that cost which was human lives and the destruction of their democracy was not worth it. It's a very very complicated debate.

Chile wasn't a Democracy under Allende, he was slowly turning Chile into Communism and had strong ties with Fidel Castro of Cuba and the Soviet Union.

We can use the same debate with Lincoln during the Civil War.....cost of human lives and the destruction of democracy since Lincoln was pretty much a tyrant.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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Chile wasn't a Democracy under Allende, he was slowly turning Chile into Communism and had strong ties with Fidel Castro of Cuba and the Soviet Union.

We can use the same debate with Lincoln during the Civil War.....cost of human lives and the destruction of democracy since Lincoln was pretty much a tyrant.
Lincoln was democratically elected, as was Allende. Allende did a lot of bad things that were against the Chilean constitution but he didn't fully dissolve the country into a military junta like Pinochet. It was only under Pinochet that he was lucky enough to liberalize the economy and bring the right people in. Afterward it was democracy that restored Chile and helped it spread the gains of the economy more.

Could they have had that level of strict no tolerance on corruption without Pinochet? IDK, honestly. Maybe but it didn't work for Argentina.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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None of them are close to becoming first world but Chile is one of the most stable countries there.

I'm sure I'm gonna get lynched by Argentinians here but Argentina is becoming one of the most corrupt countries in the world. When you have your most famous soccer player, your president and important lawyers involved in shady businesses that says a lot about how corrupt the country has become. Argentina is also a very unstable country politically because it is controlled by the mafias.

What president in Latin America was part of the Panama papers? No other than Argentinian president Mauricio Macri.

Alberto Nisman Was Murdered, Says Argentine Prosecutor
https://news.vice.com/article/albert...ine-prosecutor

Lionel Messi denies second instance of tax evasion and money laundering in Panama Papers scandal | South China Morning Post

And what other country had deadly riots where its president was forced to flee by helicopter from the rooftop of the presidential palace? Argentina.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwhUiqCprU
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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Exactly! Since when has such high levels of continuous corruption impacted Chile that much? There is very little mafia in Chile if any at all. There is no major drug cartel violence and Chileans didn't have to go through several political leaders in a short amount of time.

I mean I am sorry for what has happened to Argentina but to say there is no night and day difference when it comes to governance and the economy is just being blindly patriotic.
Chile is ranked 23rd in corruption, beat only by Uruguay. Out of 168 countries and Argentina is 107!
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:19 PM
 
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There is a huge, huge bubble in real estate that will eventually drop these countries back down into slavery for the poor and middle class and all that property will be bought at pennies on the dollar by the rich.
There is a huge bubble there. You are right about that. If SHTF many people are gonna lose their homes. It's a mess.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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Californias water comes from local sources and in implemented on mostly low lying areas in open top canals It would cost trillions to duplicate today.
Peru.s water comes from rapidly melting glaciers in the tops of the Andes.
It an almost impossible task. They would have to build masses of high pressure pipelines and power generation plants to pump the water up and down the mountains. Very, very expensive.
No, Peru's waters comes from the Amazon region, where there is unbelievable amount of water.
Peru has many multibillion dollars projecs under way.
The Olmos project was completed two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcOPcz2t6V4
The Chavimochic project is on its last phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n4V3NX3OWE
the Tumbes projects is in initial phase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US27xwLYGdg
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:13 AM
 
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No, Peru's waters comes from the Amazon region, where there is unbelievable amount of water.
Peru has many multibillion dollars projecs under way.
The Olmos project was completed two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcOPcz2t6V4
The Chavimochic project is on its last phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n4V3NX3OWE
the Tumbes projects is in initial phase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US27xwLYGdg
Ahh.. No they dont. Yes, there is much water in Amazonia. However there is little available farmland. The vast majority of the land in Amazonia is useless due to seasonal flooding that happens to happen right in the middle of the growing season.
All the major cities and available farmland are on the other side of the Andes. ALL the water available to them comes from the melting glaciers.
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:23 AM
 
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Ahh.. No they dont. Yes, there is much water in Amazonia. However there is little available farmland. The vast majority of the land in Amazonia is useless due to seasonal flooding that happens to happen right in the middle of the growing season.
All the major cities and available farmland are on the other side of the Andes. ALL the water available to them comes from the melting glaciers.
Obviously you didn't see the videos. They're creating multi-billion dollar infrastructure to transport water from the Amazon to the other side of the Andes.

I knew there was something I was missing.

In case you didn't know Colombia has more freshwater than the whole of Europe and Peru has more freshwater than India. Both countries are in the top 10 in the world, this will be a major resource in the future.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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Obviously you didn't see the videos. They're creating multi-billion dollar infrastructure to transport water from the Amazon to the other side of the Andes.

I knew there was something I was missing.

In case you didn't know Colombia has more freshwater than the whole of Europe and Peru has more freshwater than India. Both countries are in the top 10 in the world, this will be a major resource in the future.
In your first project, it is glacial melt from the Andes that supply the majority of the water from the Huancabamba River.
This is also going to cause problems in Piura because they also need that water. The amount of farmland that will be irrigated is minimal. around 25,000 hectares only. It is nothing.


It will take 14 megawatts of energy to lift 1 acre foot of water over the Andes. Thats a little less than 400 gallons.

Your tomatoes are going to cost about $500 each.

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Old 07-10-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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In your first project, it is glacial melt from the Andes that supply the majority of the water from the Huancabamba River.
This is also going to cause problems in Piura because they also need that water. The amount of farmland that will be irrigated is minimal. around 25,000 hectares only. It is nothing.


It will take 14 megawatts of energy to lift 1 acre foot of water over the Andes
. Thats a little less than 400 gallons.

Your tomatoes are going to cost about $500 each.
Sir, you seem to have trouble understanding what is being explained, The first project OLMOS (completed 2014) is drawing the water directly from the Amazon region and is using gravity to send the water to the coast, The Amazon basin sits above sea level. The immense water channels and tunnels that have been drilled through the Andean mountain will drain to the vast coastal dry valley. The area that is being irrigated is 43,700 hectares (over 110,000 acres).

There are many other projects under way, in the northern, central and southern peru.
Olmos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVuv...F-OmGEoO-eM945

The project will not take any energy to lift anything, however Olmos generates electricity to be consumed and sold. You have that backwards also.
Iniciarán construcción de una central hidroeléctrica en el proyecto Olmos | Noticias del Perú | LaRepublica.pe
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