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Old 06-15-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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The dynamic music of Brazil is in the favelas. The rest of you listen to rock.
Musica Sertaneja is the real Brazilian pop music all over Brazil. In Northeast Brazil they have Forro Music that is very intelligible with Sertanejo music.
Only in Rio de Janeiro and coast of Bahia Sertanejo is not the king, so the dynamic music of Brazil is in GOIAS!!

That is the problem of foreigner like you that knows only one city and think they know the whole country.

The TOP 100 musics more listened and downloaded in Brazil in 2019, 92 are sertanejo only 2 funk (Anita #72, #100 ''from the favela'') and 6 samba / pagode (#51, #60, #62, #66, #68, #78).


https://maistocadas.mus.br/2019/

 
Old 06-15-2020, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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This is why people get along there better as a country and nationally. They aren't divided. It is not about skin color there. It is more about your family class and money resources. Don't be fooled by journalists. I've lived there on and off since the mid-90 but not since 2011 for many reasons.
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That doesn't make sense as every country with a colonial past has elements of racism baked into it's system.
 
Old 06-16-2020, 02:41 PM
 
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There are some things that no amount of explaining will achieve in understanding. A person simply needs to leave the USA and, in this case Brazil, go there and see it for themselves. It doesn't matter if someone thinks somethings makes sense ir not, it simply is and that's that.

For example, travel to many places in Latin America where there is a large afro-descendent people and you will see a mixture of people in most groups. Returning back to the USA and even in areas of great diversity, such as NYC, it will jump at you that most groups are of the same type of people (whites with whites, blacks with black, latinos with latinos, etc). Explaining it will not have the same effect as seeing it in person time and again.

Even more telling is that there's a bigger cultural divide between whites and blacks in the USA than say in Brazil. There's even 'black foods, black music, black dialects, etc' that contrast with 'white foods, white music, white dialects, etc.' In Brazil this divide is not as strong since you are likely to see a white person practicing Copeira as you are to see a black person enjoying Brazilian rock music without anyone feeling anything about it. The same thing is largely not done in the USA. Most whites doesn't want to be criticized claiming they are "appropiating a culture" and most blacks don't want to be criticized as "trying to be white." In the USA you can even tell with great accuracy if an American is white or black by tslking to them on the phone and hear them speak. It's ridiculous, but Americans see it as normal because that's the reality they know. Try doing that in Brazil. You might be able to guess if they are upper, middle or lower class; but, guessing their race based on their speech pattern is very difficult.

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Old 07-02-2020, 01:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EVANGELISTTI View Post
Musica Sertaneja is the real Brazilian pop music all over Brazil. In Northeast Brazil they have Forro Music that is very intelligible with Sertanejo music.
Only in Rio de Janeiro and coast of Bahia Sertanejo is not the king, so the dynamic music of Brazil is in GOIAS!!

That is the problem of foreigner like you that knows only one city and think they know the whole country.

The TOP 100 musics more listened and downloaded in Brazil in 2019, 92 are sertanejo only 2 funk (Anita #72, #100 ''from the favela'') and 6 samba / pagode (#51, #60, #62, #66, #68, #78).


https://maistocadas.mus.br/2019/
And which city does Brazil promote to the world? How much does Brazil promote its cities to the North? Ask yourself why we are most familiar with Rio.
 
Old 07-02-2020, 01:24 PM
 
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That doesn't make sense as every country with a colonial past has elements of racism baked into it's system.
Exactly, Until the 1990s Brazil denied this as a fact. It began to admit this then as a visible and vocal black middle class began to emerge.

So now we hear the truth and some do not like it, as they can no longer appoint themselves as being morally superior to the USA based on a fantasy of absent racism. And what is most interesting is what his is based on. Do these people boast about the high level of mobility of blacks and the darker mixed populations? No, because they cannot. Its based on the level of mixing because in their minds a mixed person is superior to e less mixed black person. The question being how has the lower level of racial segregation helped black Brazilians when compared to black Americans. At the poor levels the problems are the same and a much larger black upper middle class exists in the USA.

An increasingly visible black elite also exists in the USA and they have the clout to get the white power structure to respond. There are frequent instances of murders of black youth in Brazil and yet almost no attention is paid to this. Mayne as a Brazilian adaptation of the "Black Lives Matter" movement of the USA grows in strengths Brazilian elites will cease their hypocrisy.
 
Old 07-02-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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There are some things that no amount of explaining will achieve in understanding. A person simply needs to leave the USA and, in this case Brazil, go there and see it for themselves. It doesn't matter if someone thinks somethings makes sense ir not, it simply is and that's that.

For example, travel to many places in Latin America where there is a large afro-descendent people and you will see a mixture of people in most groups. Returning back to the USA and even in areas of great diversity, such as NYC, it will jump at you that most groups are of the same type of people (whites with whites, blacks with black, latinos with latinos, etc). Explaining it will not have the same effect as seeing it in person time and again.

Even more telling is that there's a bigger cultural divide between whites and blacks in the USA than say in Brazil. There's even 'black foods, black music, black dialects, etc' that contrast with 'white foods, white music, white dialects, etc.' In Brazil this divide is not as strong since you are likely to see a white person practicing Copeira as you are to see a black person enjoying Brazilian rock music without anyone feeling anything about it. The same thing is largely not done in the USA. Most whites doesn't want to be criticized claiming they are "appropiating a culture" and most blacks don't want to be criticized as "trying to be white." In the USA you can even tell with great accuracy if an American is white or black by tslking to them on the phone and hear them speak. It's ridiculous, but Americans see it as normal because that's the reality they know. Try doing that in Brazil. You might be able to guess if they are upper, middle or lower class; but, guessing their race based on their speech pattern is very difficult.
This whole rant of yours illustrates the blatant racism of the Latin American.

1. So what if blacks in the USA have distinct cultural patterns and this is recognized. So what if blacks dont want whites to enrich themselves from black culture without giving that source culture credit.

2. Why the emphasis on mixing? Is there something wrong with being black? Is there something wrong with loving being black? Does a black person have to rush behind a white person to feel validated?

3. Why do you never display statistics about the socio economic achievement of blacks in Colombia and Brazil (to name the two with the largest Afro descendant populations)?

What you need to talk about is why a murder of a black American has inspired the ENTIRE world to discuss the racism which exists WITHIN their own societies and yet even more numerous law enforcement murders of blacks in Brazil dont. And there isnt even discussion of police abuse against blacks in Colombia even though we know that it exists.

Here is why this happens. Blacks in the USA are more mobilized and have more access to power to ensure that their issues are raised. Your "racist" whites now recognize this and at least pretend to be interested in resolving issues of economic exclusion.

Blacks in Latin America, until recently, were NOT mobilized, and even now have become so because they are emboldened by black struggles in the USA. They see the black struggle in the USA as a role model. And in fact nonwhites in Latin America are also getting this message transmitted from the USA. Increasing visibility of blacks in Latin American media (though still woefully underrepresented) are a response to this.

In your world a fully black person must hang their head in shame because some white man didn't impregnate one of their female ancestors, rescuing them from the shame of not being mixed enough. In your world a fully black female, even if good looking and fit, has the same status as a morbidly obese female of any race.
 
Old 07-02-2020, 02:02 PM
 
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The obsession is maintained by some afro-u.s.-americans, due to their admiration for afro-brazilian culture.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 12:58 AM
 
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The obsession is maintained by some afro-u.s.-americans, due to their admiration for afro-brazilian culture.
The African continent is far more popular right now, especially with the rise of Afrobeats. Afro-Brazil had a moment in the spotlight awhile back. There isn’t any obsession.
 
Old 08-09-2020, 12:04 AM
 
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The African continent is far more popular right now, especially with the rise of Afrobeats. Afro-Brazil had a moment in the spotlight awhile back. There isn’t any obsession.
In fact Davido and Wizkid are way more popular than any black Brazilian musician has been. They even enjoy play on mainstream US stations aimed at young blacks.

Really dont know where this notion that people are obsessed with African Brazilians. Google recent articles and its about Bolsonaro and the fact that Brazil has the 2nd highest rate of infection and death than the USA, and is far less capable of dealing with it. And when we see this, there is nary a black Brazilian in sight except for that one black bodyguard who shows up everywhere with Bolsonaro.
 
Old 08-11-2020, 01:10 AM
 
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Ah. All american videoclips in Brazil the casting is always full black or dark people
Documentaries is 90% the most black cities in Brazil or slums. Movies only the most black cities in Brazil. American youtuber shows the most black city in Brazil and say this is real Brazil. He say that the real Brazil look like Salvador who 80% of population is black. Grace Neutral travel for São Paulo a city in Brazil who the population is majority white and the most multirracial city in Brazil ( São Paulo have many asians brazilians) and portrays a city with only blacks. Sometimes the media portrays all places in Brazil like the black population is majority.
https://youtu.be/PIScA33vegA
https://youtu.be/RTi0ebKXrZM
Coronavirus only shows blacks. Only in slums of course. Only exist blacks and slums in Brazil?
https://youtu.be/vhTz9PM1F3E
Don't you think this is a wrong image about Brazil?
The recent Netflix reality show Dating Around Brazil has a fairly diverse cast of contestants. I know this doesn’t really fall under the label of media, but I figure it might be worth mentioning.
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