What is the reason behind American media obsession with African Brazilians? (cost, life)
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I don't like Brazilian soap operas who shows Brazil a full white Brazil population. Brazil is not a full white country. But I don't like when Americans and others foreigners making videoclips in Brazil and only shows sexy dark skin mulattoes in bikini, blacks in slums, and portrays Brazilians in animes and videogames mulattos and black capoeira fighter. United states have the second largest black population in the world outside África. Nobody portrays Americans like Denzel Washington or Kanye West in videogames or animes. Nobody when shows United states only shows Detroit or Bronx. Nobody portrays Americans a sexy dark skin mulattoes.
Image when the media making videoclips in United states only shows Detroit, Bronx, 50 cent videoclips, Kanye West videoclips and summarized all United states in this?
We get plenty of that. To be honest I am not sure different media around the world treats the US more different than you are saying.
It's sad that in 2021 we have to point that out, but there is a whole movement in the US trying to say other wise.
Indigenous peoples are also Asian so we can argue that there are NO Indigenous peoples in the Americas. We are ALL immigrants. Some just arrived before others!
Its an interesting point but in that case no blacks could be considered true americans either as they were forced to come here and never remotely created a country or society like the USA. Is that ok with you? DOminicans are only really half dominicans as most have black blood also through ancestors that were forced to come here?
Funny thing is many Natives will tell you they are not American or Canadian.
I will argue that the blacks of the Americas are in fact a "native" group. The vast majority have no ties to specific African ethnic groups, have no idea what their African ethnic origins are. Many/most have sufficient non Sub Saharan ancestry as to ensure that Africans on the continent reject them.
So yes blacks in the Americas are "native". They are no more knowledgeable of their ancestral origins than are the Amerindians of theirs in Asia. There is no entity called "Africa" except that conceived by the Arabs and the Europeans.
Before the Euros arrived the various Indigenous groups were battling each other for territory and resources. So let us not pretend as if the Euro conquest wasnt just another, except that this time it was done by a group that was greedier, more ruthless, and one armed with viruses that proved to be a fatal weapon.
We don't care if good African Brazilians represent Brazil. We have a very talented African Brazilians singers. Like Alexandre Pires, Margareth Menezes. We don't like when the narrative is portrays a stereotypical image of the whole Brazil. When the media shows a typical "Brazilian" side. When many people portrays Brazilians in games is always a black capoeira fighter or a mulatta person. Many people when portrays Brazilians in games, or cartoons put a black fighter of capoeira or mulatto people. When Brazilians come in all colours and ethnicities.
And often your "white" Brazilians sing in genres clearly influenced by the Afro Lusophone culture.
Heck. You cannot be "Brazilian" if you havent been influenced to some degree by this BRAZILIAN culture which emerged out of the encounters of Portuguese, Africans and Indigenous. There is nothing in Africa that is like samba.
iI personally would like to learn more about Natiive Brazilians. I rarely hear anything about them.
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Because their culture is submerged into the range of regional cultures which emerged out of the contact between them and the Euros and Afros. You do know that the vast majority of peoples with Indigenous ancestry live embedded in these cultures and not that of the Amazon.
What is unique about the assorted cultures of the Americas is how they blend those of various groups, even those of the ones which were subordinated.
I can hear some racist screaming the same thing about American music. Its the genres directly coming from its Afro populations which are most popular, or those which draw their influences from that. And Afro culture is way more central in Brazil than it is in the USA. And no surprise when one considers that 10x the numbers of Africans arrived in Brazil as enslaved peoples than into the USA. Also for a longer period and accounted for a far larger % of the population up to the mid 19th century. Hence the infamous branqueamento movement, which I see still hasnt ended.
Black Brazilians do NOT promote the images of Brazil. WHITE Brazilians do. Rio, Salvador, Minas and the Amazon/Pantanal, and yes I see loads on all of these, and NOT just Rio.
My point is U.S have a huge black population like Brazil. But when people portrays Americans in videogame/ animes nobody put a black or mulatto. But Brazilians characters in videogames, animes are always black or mulatto. My point is the stereotype. Brazil in American videoclips are portrayed a country of slums, sexy dark skin mulattos. Rich countries have a fetish for portrays the population of third world countries like mulatto, dark skin. Many people have the stereotype about Brazil. Portrays a country of sexy dark skin mulattoes. Brazil is a third world country with a huge social problems. The image of a land of dark skin mulattoes, blacks in slums matches more ( the stereotype).
Blacks and people with African ancestry are a higher % of Brazil's population than they are in the USA.
Heck if we include the white population with not too distant Afro ancestry almost every Brazilian might be one. NOT true for the USA!
So no wonder that the Afro culture is more central to Brazil's cultural formation than it is to that of the USA.
But having said that black American culture bats above its level in the degree of impact that it has on US culture.
I will argue that the blacks of the Americas are in fact a "native" group. The vast majority have no ties to specific African ethnic groups, have no idea what their African ethnic origins are. Many/most have sufficient non Sub Saharan ancestry as to ensure that Africans on the continent reject them.
Dna says otherwise....
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So yes blacks in the Americas are "native". They are no more knowledgeable of their ancestral origins than are the Amerindians of theirs in Asia. There is no entity called "Africa" except that conceived by the Arabs and the Europeans
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Huge difference between a few hundred years to thens of thousands of years. Again DNA, common sense and history say otherwise. We hear black racists say this all the time to real native americans " you are mongolian, we are the original people". https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-south-america
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Before the Euros arrived the various Indigenous groups were battling each other for territory and resources. So let us not pretend as if the Euro conquest wasnt just another, except that this time it was done by a group that was greedier, more ruthless, and one armed with viruses that proved to be a fatal weapon.
Nothing to do with the topics, but ok since you went there......Before the Euros arrived the various black subsharan groups were fighting and enslaving each other. Infact Euros got their slaves from other blacks. So let us not pretend as if the Euro were doing something blacks werent already doing to themselves. Except this time it was done by a group that did it on a larger scale. thats all.
Huge difference between a few hundred years to thens of thousands of years. Again DNA, common sense and history say otherwise. We hear black racists say this all the time to real native americans " you are mongolian, we are the original people". https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-south-america
Nothing to do with the topics, but ok since you went there......Before the Euros arrived the various black subsharan groups were fighting and enslaving each other. Infact Euros got their slaves from other blacks. So let us not pretend as if the Euro were doing something blacks werent already doing to themselves. Except this time it was done by a group that did it on a larger scale. thats all.
You are chatting about Indigenous people while we are talking about those who wish to condone the eradication of African influences in Brazil. So who is irrelevant?
So then tell us blacks of the Americas which "country" we should go back to in Africa. To those who sold us? Yes humans battled each other every where. Peoples from various parts of Africa were tossed together when they arrived in the Americas. They had to develop ways of interacting with each other. Yes on a plantation in Brazil one would have had peoples from Senegal right down to Angola. Then all would have had to learn how to operate under the colonial rule of the various Europeans, and in some societies would have rubbed shoulders with Indigenous peoples. They would have also had to interact with the creole black enslaved people who knew nothing about life in Africa. Not being able to maintain contact with their origins alone among other peoples who arrived in the Americas they had to shape a new range of identities. Blacks of the Americas are NO LONGER of Africa and are NOT accepted as such by Africans. When we do the "fake African" thing Africans laugh at us!
So even though Afro Brazilians and Afro Surinamers are both South American blacks, and both have strong elements of African culture within them, and both have disproportionate origins in the Congo/Angola regions no one would mistake a black Brazilian with a black Surinamer.
The Africans who sold other Africans were engaged in commerce, pure and simple. the concept of race being new. Various African kingdoms didnt have a common identity of "black" and battled each other as ferociously as did the British battled the French and the Spanish/Portuguese the Dutch. Do you know that racial identities were so weak that various African kingdoms formed alliances with Europeans as BOTH fought their enemies. Yes the Portuguese and the Dutch had their African allies who supported the war between these Euro kingdoms. Ditto on the Gold Coast when the British joined with the Fante to fight against the Dutch who were allied to the Asante. The Dutch, English, Fante and the Asante all had their reasons for this. So please do not start off that "oh the African king sold off his own people to the whites" nonsense!
In the same way as were the Europeans when they too sold each other off in earlier times. What is your point. Start a forum on the Africa forum and I will tell you all about the thriving kingdoms that profited from the slave trade, their kings being upset when the British told them to stop selling slaves and start selling palm nuts and cacao.
FACT. Africans have had a HIGHLY transformative impact on the Americas. Had we not been here the Americas would be all like Bolivia! Or like Canada. You can go from country to country in the Americas and the stamp of the African descendant is there. WE have been very involved in the creation of NEW cultures and identities in the Americas. From music, dance, food, linguistic formations, and involvement in farming and metallurgy. Of course credit for this being eradicated by people like you who wish to create an Americas only of Euro and Indigenous formation.
Despite the attempts of Indigenous advocates to eradicate us we are as NATIVE to the Americas as they are. END OF STORY! The Americas is what it is. How many Indigenous peoples in the Americas are "pure" anyway? The vast majority also have Euro and/or Afro ancestry so the notion that they are uniquely native is practical NONSENSE! Heck even some whites in the USA have discovered that they might have black African ancestors! This especially in the Mid South.
Africans were brought to this hemisphere against our will. Our ties to Africa were destroyed, so we created something new, and in that process became one of the most innovative elements in shaping the Americas into what it is. Something NEW!
You are chatting about Indigenous people while we are talking about those who wish to condone the eradication of African influences in Brazil. So who is irrelevant?
So what? WHy would that bother you? Before black and european colonizers came the people in Brazil were indigenous.
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So then tell us blacks of the Americas which "country" we should go back to in Africa. To those who sold us? Yes humans battled each other every where and the concept of "race" being a recent one. Peoples from various parts of Africa were tossed together when they arrived in the Americas. They had to develop ways of interacting with each other. Yes on a plantation in Brazil one would have had peoples from Senegal right down to Angola. Then all would have had to learn how to operate under the colonial rule of the various Europeans, and in some societies would have rubbed shoulders with Indigenous peoples. They would have also had to interact with the creole black enslaved people who knew nothing about life in Africa. Not being able to maintain contact with their origins alone among other peoples who arrived in the Americas they had to shape a new range of identities. Blacks of the Americas are NO LONGER of Africa and are NOT accepted as such by Africans. When we do the "fake African" thing Africans laugh at us!
When you do the fake Indigenous thing people laugh even harder. No one is telling anyone to go back to AFrica. But genetically speaking that is where black Americans have their roots. That is why you call Africa "the motherland" and talk so often about the "diaspora".
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FACT. Africans have had a HIGHLY transformative impact on the Americas. Had we not been here the Americas would be all like Bolivia! Or like Canada. You can go from country to country in the Americas and the stamp of the African descendant is there. WE have been very involved in the creation of NEW cultures and identities in the Americas. From music, dance, food, linguistic formations, and involvement in farming and metallurgy. Of course credit for this being eradicated by people like you who wish to create an Americas only of Euro and Indigenous formation.
I replied directly to your comments. I never ever onced mentioned wanting to create an Americas only of Euro and Indigenous formation and I would appreciate it you wouldn't lie so blatantly because you don't like my comment. No one is denying the great contributions Blacks have made to the Americans and I am personally glad they are here. But that doesnt mean we have to turn a blind eye to facts. The only people trying to erase people from history are actually those that say things like blacks are the real natives or they are the Olmecs and other such stupidity. What exactly is wrong in being like Bolivia or Canada??
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Despite the attempts of Indigenous advocates to eradicate us we are as NATIVE to the Americas as they are. END OF STORY!
ANother lie. Natives are not trying to erase you from the AMericans. It is blacks actually doing that claiming to be the real native Americas. Can you back up your claims? I sure can prove what blacks are trying to do. DNA also says otherwise. Please back up your bull**** claims.
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The Americas is what it is. How many Indigenous peoples in the Americas are "pure" anyway? The vast majority also have Euro and/or Afro ancestry so the notion that they are uniquely native is practical NONSENSE! Heck even some whites in the USA have discovered that they might have black African ancestors! This especially in the Mid South.
There you go trying to erase Natives. There are plenty of pure blood Natives in the South west, Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, Bolivia and Peru. Large amounts of them and there are pockets of them in most American countries.
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Africans were brought to this hemisphere against our will. Our ties to Africa were destroyed, so we created something new, and in that process became one of the most innovative elements in shaping the Americas into what it is. Something NEW!
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Yes everyone involved became something new. Doesn't change the fact where your deep roots are, where your DNA comes from.
Last edited by UrbanLuis; 06-26-2021 at 05:38 PM..
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