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Old 08-28-2020, 08:30 AM
 
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Spanish people were evil, imperialist, racist, and genocidal western Europeans who tried to impose themselves on the new world. They didn't know how to develop - only to exploit and extract wealth, that's why there are no developed Latin American countries today.

Losing some territories to Americans does not make them victims. They were just the losers. Nobody owes them anything. Nobody stole anything that they didn't steal themselves. They didn't belong here anymore than any other western European nation
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Old 08-28-2020, 08:50 AM
 
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The colonization of what is now the US and Canada has given people from all corners of the globe a better life.

Conquest is in every period and geography of history, and those who use the word “stolen” are simply cherry-picking to advance an anti-European political agenda.

I will continue to glorify glorious cultures and Western civilization.
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Old 08-28-2020, 09:04 AM
 
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Conquest is in every period and geography of history, and those who use the word “stolen” are simply cherry-picking to advance an anti-European political agenda.
Why don't they see the Spanish as imperialist European colonizers/exploiters? That's what mystifies me.

Who do people think the Spanish are?
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Old 08-28-2020, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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Conquest is in every period and geography of history, and those who use the word “stolen” are simply cherry-picking to advance an anti-European political agenda.
Bingo!

This reminds me of a well known anecdote that has been repeated both in Spain and among certain intellectual circles in Latin America. Its about a Mexican woman that went to Spain and told another Spanish woman that her people (the Spanish one) conquered her people (the Mexican one). The Spanish woman responded "perhaps those are your ancestors, because all my ancestors remained in Spain". lol

As hard as it might be for some Americans to accept, but the typical Latin American is not just a descendant of an Indian and/or an African, but also of a European and more often than not a Spaniard, and its not as if its a trace. That is simply the way it is from as far north as Mexico down to Argentina, from as far east as Puerto Rico to as far west as Panama. Lying about things will not make them true and exaggerating are simply that with the typical line between a lie and an exaggeration remaining very thin.

Its like saying most Latin Americans speak a colonized language when it isn't true. Most Latin Americans speak their native language, Spanish. This is not Equatorial Guinea where most people have very few or none at all of Spanish ancestry, hence there the Spanish language is a colonial language for most Equatorial Guinean but not for most Latin Americans. Its actually the language of their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents; great-great-grandparents all the way back to, well, Spain. A person can say all they want that Latin Americans speak a language of a 'foreign people' and convince as many people as they want, yet it remains true that in fact they are not speaking a language that was imposed on them, but rather a language they inherited from their parents. In addition, most have an abundant blood line that eventually goes back to Spain. There is simply no way around that. The same is true among most Brazilians, except the Portuguese language takes the place of the Spanish language.

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Old 08-28-2020, 05:24 PM
 
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Humans have always fought against one another, displacing other groups in order to acquire more territory. Western Europeans just happened to be more successful than others at engaging in it on a large scale. Recognizing some of the wrongs done is one thing, but navel gazing about it is utterly pointless at this stage.
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Old 08-28-2020, 05:27 PM
 
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I know a whole lots Spanish people that don’t like it when you talk like that senor
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Old 08-28-2020, 07:45 PM
 
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All I know is that Spain is a beautiful country, has wonderful food, beautiful architecture, very educated people, and most of all super beautiful women(they are not fat and obese). All those traits have been left in the Americas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_6fHw6ML70

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Old 08-29-2020, 01:41 PM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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Bingo!

This reminds me of a well known anecdote that has been repeated both in Spain and among certain intellectual circles in Latin America. Its about a Mexican woman that went to Spain and told another Spanish woman that her people (the Spanish one) conquered her people (the Mexican one). The Spanish woman responded "perhaps those are your ancestors, because all my ancestors remained in Spain". lol

As hard as it might be for some Americans to accept, but the typical Latin American is not just a descendant of an Indian and/or an African, but also of a European and more often than not a Spaniard, and its not as if its a trace. That is simply the way it is from as far north as Mexico down to Argentina, from as far east as Puerto Rico to as far west as Panama. Lying about things will not make them true and exaggerating are simply that with the typical line between a lie and an exaggeration remaining very thin.

Its like saying most Latin Americans speak a colonized language when it isn't true. Most Latin Americans speak their native language, Spanish. This is not Equatorial Guinea where most people have very few or none at all of Spanish ancestry, hence there the Spanish language is a colonial language for most Equatorial Guinean but not for most Latin Americans. Its actually the language of their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents; great-great-grandparents all the way back to, well, Spain. A person can say all they want that Latin Americans speak a language of a 'foreign people' and convince as many people as they want, yet it remains true that in fact they are not speaking a language that was imposed on them, but rather a language they inherited from their parents. In addition, most have an abundant blood line that eventually goes back to Spain. There is simply no way around that. The same is true among most Brazilians, except the Portuguese language takes the place of the Spanish language.
Along the East Coast of the US, Latinos are frequently called/refer to themselves as "Spanish" so I'd say most Americans, at least on the eastern seaboard are fully aware that Latinos are of Spanish lineage.
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Old 08-29-2020, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I don't think I ever met a Latin American that glorifies Spanish colonialism.
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Old 08-29-2020, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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I don't think I ever met a Latin American that glorifies Spanish colonialism.
Yup. My in-laws acknowledge it, but I don’t particularly think they would fall at the feet of a conquistador and worship one, though (they’re Salvadorans and Hondurans). The odd glorification of white skin is weird. Makes me (a white guy) uncomfortable.
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