Election trend and Arizona (Tucson, Goodyear: houses, job transfer, buying)

[bchris02]

Arizona has went for Democrats before. Clinton won it in 1996 and Obama would have won it in 2008 if John McCain hadn't have been the Republican nominee.

Nonetheless, I don't know why liberals think everywhere should be like San Francisco, Portland or Seattle. You are enamored by diversity of skin but fear diversity of thought.

[teddyearp]

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That being said, the types of Republicans and Democrats in Arizona are not the same as those in the Northeast, not the same as those in the South. If anything, I think the media blows a lot of stuff out of proportion. Non-politicians tend to be more tolerant in AZ than we're given credit for.<snip>[/quote]

Yes, it probably should be in the Politics forum, but it's not, so. . . .

I feel that most Arizonans are more free thinkers who will vote for the person and not the party. They will vote with their own mind, not who they seem to be told to vote for purely because of political affiliation.

If you think progressive politics is the future and if Arizona doesn't become more so it will be left behind, well, I strongly disagree. Progressive politics has been around for over a hundred years and IMHO is far from what our constitution states our country should be like.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by Magnum Mike

I am an Arizona native, and we've always been a conservative state, and on both the Republican, and up until recent years, the Democratic side as well. I'm sure you know by now that most Democrats in the United States have gone too far to the left, that's why liberalism is not what we want in our state mainly because of the principles modern day Liberals stand for. Without getting into a political discussion, if you want to see what liberalism can lead to, look at some of the large cities in the states that are blue, like Chicago and San Francisco. I know those are extreme examples, but we don't want to see our state turn into those kind of, pardon the expression, cesspools.

If you like those kinds of extreme left cities/states, then nothing is stopping you to go live there.

Yeah, right. It was God's intention that Arizona stays Republican and a woman's body can shut down any "legitimate vote rape" from Democrats here. I wonder what today's Republican party would do with Barry Goldwater who arranged an abortion for his daughter on the kitchen table. Would they burn him at the stake today? Fortunately, the Latino vote in Arizona will end this nonsense in a few years. I say we all chill until then.

[Bondurant]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

Yeah, right. It was God's intention that Arizona stays Republican and a woman's body can shut down any "legitimate vote rape" from Democrats here. I wonder what today's Republican party would do with Barry Goldwater who arranged an abortion for his daughter on the kitchen table. Would they burn him at the stake today? Fortunately, the Latino vote in Arizona will end this nonsense in a few years. I say we all chill until then.

The post you quoted and mocked was not off base. Liberals won't take hold in Arizona (even with the Hispanic population). Too many Democrats are pushing for increased taxes (including Obamacare), gun control and other nonsense that even moderates won't go for.

I imagine Barry Goldwater would not like much of what he sees in the GOP across the county and here in AZ but he sure as hell would be appalled by the Democrats unquenchable thirst for more taxes and more government.

Arizona is ripe for change but it will only come at the hands of Republicans in the Goldwater mold (like David Schweikert) and moderate Democrats.

[PoppySead]

Independent voters make up the second largest party in our state after republicans. We have a lot of Mormons, and transplants from all over the country drawn by our policies as of late. If you own a gun you love it here, if you don't like illegals you'll love it here, if you don't like paying for other peoples kids education you will love it here.

Because of this we have drawn more red voters and right leaning independents. I actually think the opposite, as of late we seem to be more red than we have been in the past, almost past red and into Tea party land. It all depends on the transplants and we draw these transplants more than blue because of our stance as of late.

I long for the old days actually, they were not as extreme as we are now, IMO of course (I'm old). We are full of the Tea Party and I'm not big on them even though I vote independent as well. Not all of us are totting tea.

[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by Bondurant

The post you quoted and mocked was not off base. Liberals won't take hold in Arizona (even with the Hispanic population). Too many Democrats are pushing for increased taxes (including Obamacare), gun control and other nonsense that even moderates won't go for.

I imagine Barry Goldwater would not like much of what he sees in the GOP across the county and here in AZ but he sure as hell would be appalled by the Democrats unquenchable thirst for more taxes and more government.

Arizona is ripe for change but it will only come at the hands of Republicans in the Goldwater mold (like David Schweikert) and moderate Democrats.

Ya, I agree.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by LAX-PHX

I think Arizona is a purple state when it comes to the beliefs of the people. However when it comes down to who actually votes it's still a red state. Arizona had 50 percent turnout. Apathy leads to electing leaders who are out of touch with their citizens. You have to give credit to the republicans because they do vote. Cons like to talk about the Chicago machine when it comes to Obama and democrats getting elected but I think you can say there is an Arizona machine when it comes to getting Republicans elected. They purged themselves of moderates and so called RINO's in 06 and 08 and with the help of the tea party has made this state less moderate than it was 6-8 years ago. The OP suggested that Arizona is somehow linked to the Old South. That is not true. Arizona has always been a western state. Instead of looking for a link to the bible belt south, look vertically. Idaho, Utah and Arizona make up that funny looking peninsula on the red state map. Three letters, LDS. You can call it the Mormon belt. Although Arizona is not as conservative as Utah or Idaho, politics are defininitely influenced by the LDS in Arizona. It shows in how out of touch they are on social issues with the rest of the populace. I saw a poll that Arizona is like 65 percent pro choice yet the socons are pushing anti-abortion bills when the citizens aren't asking for them and would like to focus on the economy and education. I think eventually between Latinos and younger people who are fed up with Sherriff Joe, Jan Brewer, and the rest of the loons, Arizona will shed it's image as some outpost for whackos.

There is some truth to the Mormon belt idea in terms of social conservatism, but Arizona tends to be more radical than the average Mormon IMO. Utah is one of only three states with a driver's license law for illegal immigrants - I would call that very progressive and the utmost opposite of what happened in Arizona. As soon as Pres. Obama enacted the stay on DREAMER deportations our extremist Governor excluded them from any help or papers in our state. That's a catastrophe just from a purely economic perspective. When you go against your own economic interests, what is the motivation? Racist?

[blueleo65]

If I posted this in the wrong forum, then my apologies, I wasn't aware that there is a Politics section. If the powers that be wish to move it over there, please do by all means. I would like to apologize for using the "Jeffery Dahmer" analogy in my first post. I didn't mean to offend anyone. But I won't apologize for bring up this subject or of trying to have an interesting, if controversial topic.

Originally Posted by LAX-PHX

I think Arizona is a purple state when it comes to the beliefs of the people. However when it comes down to who actually votes it's still a red state. Arizona had 50 percent turnout. Apathy leads to electing leaders who are out of touch with their citizens. You have to give credit to the republicans because they do vote. Cons like to talk about the Chicago machine when it comes to Obama and democrats getting elected but I think you can say there is an Arizona machine when it comes to getting Republicans elected. They purged themselves of moderates and so called RINO's in 06 and 08 and with the help of the tea party has made this state less moderate than it was 6-8 years ago. The OP suggested that Arizona is somehow linked to the Old South. That is not true. Arizona has always been a western state. Instead of looking for a link to the bible belt south, look vertically. Idaho, Utah and Arizona make up that funny looking peninsula on the red state map. Three letters, LDS. You can call it the Mormon belt. Although Arizona is not as conservative as Utah or Idaho, politics are defininitely influenced by the LDS in Arizona. It shows in how out of touch they are on social issues with the rest of the populace. I saw a poll that Arizona is like 65 percent pro choice yet the socons are pushing anti-abortion bills when the citizens aren't asking for them and would like to focus on the economy and education. I think eventually between Latinos and younger people who are fed up with Sherriff Joe, Jan Brewer, and the rest of the loons, Arizona will shed it's image as some outpost for whackos.

LAX-PHX,

Thank you for the thoughtful and well written reply. I see your point relating to the LDS, and comparing it to the South. I agree. Being relatively new to the Area, I'm simply trying to understand the culture and the line of thinking. And after Tuesday's election, I thought it would be interesting to read other people's opinion.

One thing that I find interesting is that some of the posters will only think in extremes. What I'm advocating is balance. I'm certainly not an extremist, although admittedly, I lean left. But that doesn't mean that I advocate uncontrolled tax and spending nor do I believe in sticking to my ideology at the expense of ruining the country.

Thanks for everyone's input. I understand the fine line between "stirring the pot" and trying to have a controversial discussion, and I'm glad I was able to read so many various opinions.

Thank you,

Mike

[stephen431]

Originally Posted by bchris02

Arizona has went for Democrats before. Clinton won it in 1996 and Obama would have won it in 2008 if John McCain hadn't have been the Republican nominee.

Nonetheless, I don't know why liberals think everywhere should be like San Francisco, Portland or Seattle. You are enamored by diversity of skin but fear diversity of thought.

It would help if people didn't use broad strokes about what they believe "liberals think" everywhere should be like.
I'm pretty sure all conservatives don't think everywhere should be like Branson Missouri or Birmingham Alabama.

If I'd moved in San Francisco or Portland, I'd be considered a conservative. In Seattle, I'd probably be a right-of-center moderate. I moved here from Cincinnati, where good schools were a big conservative issue and they were more worried about pornography than about trying to sell more handguns.

[observer53]

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