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This is the kind of ridiculous communist outdate propaganda that makes China the laughing stock of the world. This slogan that somehow these taiwanese are part of a big "family" is just a joke in the eyes of today's generations. A modern nation is not about family. Treat the taiwanese like any renegade traitor group occupying Chinese territory and deal with them as such. Stop being so lame, China.
That's irrational. China should have dealt with that in the 1950s if at all, but doing it now makes no sense. Why invade a country (yes, I consider Taiwan a de facto country) when there is not much to gain? Most Taiwanese will oppose it. Other nations will lament such actions too. I don't think China wants to be in that position.
Taiwan is doing fine, so let it be. China really should focus the energy and resources in developing itself, making itself wealthier and increasingly powerful, instead of to realize some unification dream. In the end, power talks louder than any historic bond.
Why could the US do all the dirty things it did yet got away with it? Because it CAN. Unlike the 18s century, nowadays it is about power projection and who listens to you, rather than political boundary - only Russia is obsessed with that. It would be stupid for China to let everyone take it as a bully and aggressor (it hasn't done much and western media is already making it like one, don't you realize?)
That's irrational. China should have dealt with that in the 1950s if at all, but doing it now makes no sense. Why invade a country (yes, I consider Taiwan a de facto country) when there is not much to gain? Most Taiwanese will oppose it. Other nations will lament such actions too. I don't think China wants to be in that position.
Taiwan is doing fine, so let it be. China really should focus the energy and resources in developing itself, making itself wealthier and increasingly powerful, instead of to realize some unification dream. In the end, power talks louder than any historic bond.
Why could the US do all the dirty things it did yet got away with it? Because it CAN. Unlike the 18s century, nowadays it is about power projection and who listens to you, rather than political boundary - only Russia is obsessed with that. It would be stupid for China to let everyone take it as a bully and aggressor (it hasn't done much and western media is already making it like one, don't you realize?)
I agree. China can do A LOT more with the soft power that it has than naked aggression. Should China just relinquish claims over Taiwan? Well, they did with Mongolia, and Mongolia was part of the Qing Dynasty (interesting though that the ROC still claims Mongolia as part of its territory). If China can do it with Mongolia, a large country compared to little Taiwan, then what? Everyone on both sides know, either side making a move is bad. This needs to be settled. There's no use having yet another regional war, or world war III, over Taiwan Or, convince Taiwan into becoming a SAR for at least 100 years, and give it more autonomy than what HK has. That's win-win I think.
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I agree. China can do A LOT more with the soft power that it has than naked aggression. Should China just relinquish claims over Taiwan? Well, they did with Mongolia, and Mongolia was part of the Qing Dynasty (interesting though that the ROC still claims Mongolia as part of its territory). If China can do it with Mongolia, a large country compared to little Taiwan, then what? Everyone on both sides know, either side making a move is bad. This needs to be settled. There's no use having yet another regional war, or world war III, over Taiwan Or, convince Taiwan into becoming a SAR for at least 100 years, and give it more autonomy than what HK has. That's win-win I think.
Or, keep taiwan cornered and limited like it is now, but marginalize it economically (end all those sweet economic favors and benefits) and isolate it diplomatically until it's just a backwater that no one cares about or remember. There's no need to keep harping on this stupid "Chinese family" BS.
It is possible to occupy CHina. Its been down in the past. Mongols did it. So did the Manchus. It usually happened from the north. Japan would have been successful if they secured manchuria and had an uninterrupted supply of oil and the Allies didn't get in the way.
The best way to conquer china is to divide and conquer. Ancient Chinese saying, "have the barbarian fight the barbarian. Its cheaper."
If you've read Romance of the Three kingdoms, the best time would coincide with many natural disasters with social unrest. This will topple the government. Then let 1930s warlordism set in. That is when you start bribing the generals. Then you set up international settlements and concessions.
This is the kind of ridiculous communist outdate propaganda that makes China the laughing stock of the world. This slogan that somehow these taiwanese are part of a big "family" is just a joke in the eyes of today's generations. A modern nation is not about family. Treat the taiwanese like any renegade traitor group occupying Chinese territory and deal with them as such. Stop being so lame, China.
if you want, you can stand outside the Zhongnanhai and hold up a sign saying that.
It is possible to occupy CHina. Its been down in the past. Mongols did it. So did the Manchus. It usually happened from the north. Japan would have been successful if they secured manchuria and had an uninterrupted supply of oil and the Allies didn't get in the way.
The best way to conquer china is to divide and conquer. Ancient Chinese saying, "have the barbarian fight the barbarian. Its cheaper."
If you've read Romance of the Three kingdoms, the best time would coincide with many natural disasters with social unrest. This will topple the government. Then let 1930s warlordism set in. That is when you start bribing the generals. Then you set up international settlements and concessions.
Sounds smart, you should write a book on that. but all this will be done by who? At what cost? And what to gain?
It is so funny that people like you would be so heavily brainwashed to hate China so much, while consider Japan, a country with a horrendous history of invading and murdering innocent people elsewhere benign, just because China is not a "democracy" and doesn't fit into the cozy western-led world order.
It is possible to occupy CHina. Its been down in the past. Mongols did it. So did the Manchus. It usually happened from the north. Japan would have been successful if they secured manchuria and had an uninterrupted supply of oil and the Allies didn't get in the way.
The best way to conquer china is to divide and conquer. Ancient Chinese saying, "have the barbarian fight the barbarian. Its cheaper."
If you've read Romance of the Three kingdoms, the best time would coincide with many natural disasters with social unrest. This will topple the government. Then let 1930s warlordism set in. That is when you start bribing the generals. Then you set up international settlements and concessions.
And the Chinese will retaliate for your divide and conquer by nuking your butt back to the stone age.
but all this will be done by who? At what cost? And what to gain?
joint-stock companies using private armies. Cost is not the issue. The gain is profit.
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It is so funny that people like you would be so heavily brainwashed to hate China so much,
Actually, you're brainwashed by the PRC's soft power propaganda. I appreciate chinese culture. I just don't like its government. your never trust a communist....ever!
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while consider Japan, a country with a horrendous history of invading and murdering innocent people elsewhere benign,
Are you ignorant? Japan is the UK of Asia. They buttraped china so bad it was war crime. Multiply warcrimes. I don't think anyone puts Japan on a heavenly pedestal here. Japan is a pitbull and I am glad the US keeps the country leashed.
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just because China is not a "democracy" and doesn't fit into the cozy western-led world order.
Lets make it happen then. You sure like living in that western-led world order.
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And the Chinese will retaliate for your divide and conquer by nuking your butt back to the stone age.
Why would they nuke me? I'm not going to invade. You're supposed to have the barbarian fight the barbarian. That's the point. You would have the russians or jihadis, or a PMC do the fighting. Jihadis are stateless terrorists that do not like athiests. The PRC would have no target to nuke unless they nuke mecca for sheer revenge. THey can't nuke russia because the fallout would affect them.
And if they did nuke me, your butt would be in the stone age too because the blast radius would hit you as well. Your chinese girlfriend is not going to save you.
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Lol.
