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With satellite news bringing video coverage live it was a shocking event. Sadly some within the Chinese government either deny it happened or play down the events.
have a great respect for the chinese, their culture but being push around for thousands of years? first by their emperors and now their communists rulers?
when will they wake up? the Japanese shed their authoritarian overlords but it took an outside power and destruction to finally do it.
i know business prefers stability than the raucus/often chaotic democracies but with their disciplined culture, it should be more than enough to offset the negatives of democracy.
have a great respect for the chinese, their culture but being push around for thousands of years? first by their emperors and now their communists rulers?
when will they wake up? the Japanese shed their authoritarian overlords but it took an outside power and destruction to finally do it.
i know business prefers stability than the raucus/often chaotic democracies but with their disciplined culture, it should be more than enough to offset the negatives of democracy.
Taiwan, Singapore, HK is a good example
Taiwan, Singapore and HK are all very small, and have long colony history.
China cannot copy them.
Taiwan, Singapore and HK are all very small, and have long colony history.
China cannot copy them.
if the provinces are given more autonomy, like in a federal govt, do you think the governors will suddenly turn into tin pot dictators? or start a war with another province?
Another forum I request was discussing this today.
Here is some details from a British cable message sent detailing the atrocities...
- "THE ARMY THAT HAS COMMITTED THE ATROCITIES IN BEIJING IS 27 ARMY WHO ARE TROOPS FROM SHANXI PROVINCE (?), ARE 60 PERCENT ILLITERATE AND ARE CALLED PRIMITIVES."
- "APCS RAN OVER TROOPS AND CIVILIANS AT 65KPH IN SAME MANNER"
- "APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS."
- "MINIMUM ESTIMATE OF CIVILIAN DEAD 10,000."
Quite disgusting. Supposedly, the Chinese have basically rewritten the history of this event within it's borders since they control the internet, news and discussion.
Another forum I request was discussing this today.
Here is some details from a British cable message sent detailing the atrocities...
- "THE ARMY THAT HAS COMMITTED THE ATROCITIES IN BEIJING IS 27 ARMY WHO ARE TROOPS FROM SHANXI PROVINCE (?), ARE 60 PERCENT ILLITERATE AND ARE CALLED PRIMITIVES."
- "APCS RAN OVER TROOPS AND CIVILIANS AT 65KPH IN SAME MANNER"
- "APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS."
- "MINIMUM ESTIMATE OF CIVILIAN DEAD 10,000."
Quite disgusting. Supposedly, the Chinese have basically rewritten the history of this event within it's borders since they control the internet, news and discussion.
I do not think your information is accurate. Can you post a link?
Although Chinese people did not have much education on average, illiterate rate was relatively low because Mao launched campaigns to give basic education to peasants. Moreover illiterate men were not allowed to join the military. Typically 9 years education was required before 1990s, and 12 years after that.
The figure 10,000 is totally a lie. Even the activists themselves did not use such a ridiculous number.
if the provinces are given more autonomy, like in a federal govt, do you think the governors will suddenly turn into tin pot dictators? or start a war with another province?
It is hard to tell. Some provinces may do well, others will be terrible. China has never had a federal system.
When serious flood occurred on Yangtze River, China often sacrifices Anhui province to protect relatively rich Jiangsu Province. How can you do that when each province governs itself? The governor would have a hard time explaining why he ordered to blow up the dams and kill his own voters.
Sichuan Province has huge Tibetan regions, is it fair to let Sichuan alone take care of the economic development and national defense in those areas?
have a great respect for the chinese, their culture but being push around for thousands of years? first by their emperors and now their communists rulers?
when will they wake up? the Japanese shed their authoritarian overlords but it took an outside power and destruction to finally do it.
i know business prefers stability than the raucus/often chaotic democracies but with their disciplined culture, it should be more than enough to offset the negatives of democracy.
Taiwan, Singapore, HK is a good example
Singapore isn't a democracy and political freedom is very limited.
The difference between China and Singapore is China has incapable leaders while Singapore has better ones. Even in a dictatorship, there are better dictators and worse dictators. At this point, China has the worst dictator in recent memory.
Hong Kong has never been a democracy but political freedom and free market are plenty. Singapore has a free market and plenty of freedom for business. Both of them have decent legal systems.
Unfortunately, China has no democracy, very little political freedom, limited free market, no judicial independence. Historically, Japan wasn't a democracy until the end of WWII. But Japan became an industrialized country after the Meiji Restoration, long before it embraced democracy. Whereas China is still a very primitive society, only 1/4 of the Chinese workforce are high school educated.
I'm not anti-democracy, but human civilizations are very complicated. Democracy isn't the only factor in the equation.
if the provinces are given more autonomy, like in a federal govt, do you think the governors will suddenly turn into tin pot dictators? or start a war with another province?
Whether Chinese provinces are given more autonomy isn't that important.
In the U.S, both governors and the president are elected. In China, no official is elected at all. If governors are not elected by the people, why do you think more autonomy will help?
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