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All places have higher numbers than they report since universal testing is not in place. My guess is that China doesn't have the infections down to zero, but low enough that contact tracing and quarantines are not noticeable to the public.
It is actually zero or almost zero. People in China do not social distance anymore and they don't test much either. Any case will spread like wildfire.
Without mass testing and closing down the city like in Beijing and in Urumqi, there is no way they would be able to stop the spread. The reason most cities did not need to close down is because nearly all cities in China have zero infections.
It is actually zero or almost zero. People in China do not social distance anymore and they don't test much either. Any case will spread like wildfire.
Without mass testing and closing down the city like in Beijing and in Urumqi, there is no way they would be able to stop the spread. The reason most cities did not need to close down is because nearly all cities in China have zero infections.
They mass tested Wuhan in Hubei, both of which were under lockdown. It is only about a quarter of the total population in the province.
They mass tested Wuhan in Hubei, both of which were under lockdown. It is only about a quarter of the total population in the province.
They only have mass tested in places where there are outbreaks, they are not testing massively in places with no outbreak.
So if there were 100 cases a month ago in Shanghai, then they would not be able to catch hidden cases which would spread fast because they are not social distancing.
The reason it is not out if control is because there were 0 cases in Shanghai and most other cities a month ago and most likely today too.
All places have higher numbers than they report since universal testing is not in place. My guess is that China doesn't have the infections down to zero, but low enough that contact tracing and quarantines are not noticeable to the public.
no, this virus has shown that it cannot be controlled/contained unless the infections is driven down to zero. If you look at how the virus is spreading like wild fire in the western world where most places have nowhere near the population density of chinese cities, you would see that the only way for the chinese to stop the infection is to ensure the infected are not discharged from the hospital until they are clean.
that is the single biggest factor in controlling the virus. China only have two modes within their provinces and cities, lockdown mode and normal mode. If you're just doing half-ass lockdown like the western world and hong kong, things will never return to normal until effective vaccine shows up
no, this virus has shown that it cannot be controlled/contained unless the infections is driven down to zero. If you look at how the virus is spreading like wild fire in the western world where most places have nowhere near the population density of chinese cities, you would see that the only way for the chinese to stop the infection is to ensure the infected are not discharged from the hospital until they are clean.
that is the single biggest factor in controlling the virus. China only have two modes within their provinces and cities, lockdown mode and normal mode. If you're just doing half-ass lockdown like the western world and hong kong, things will never return to normal until effective vaccine shows up
That's because lockdowns are not vigorously enforced as in China and then followed by rigorous testing, contact tracing, and quarantining. Notice that Brooklyn's Hasidic Jews did not observe the lockdowns in NYC's first lockdown and kept spreading the virus. If you don't do it right, you keep doing lockdowns because you can't isolate the clusters to a small enough area.
“In China, you have a combination of a population that takes respiratory infections seriously and is willing to adopt non-pharmaceutical interventions, with a government that can put bigger constraints on individual freedoms than would be considered acceptable in most Western countries”, adds Poland. “Commitment to the greater good is engrained in the culture; there is not the hyper-individualism that characterises parts of the USA, and has driven most of the resistance to the countermeasures against the coronavirus.” Poland noted that the Chinese accept the notion that disease control is a matter of science. “China does not have the kind of raucous anti-vaccine, anti-science movement that is trying to derail the fight against COVID-19 in the USA”, he said.
“In China, you have a combination of a population that takes respiratory infections seriously and is willing to adopt non-pharmaceutical interventions, with a government that can put bigger constraints on individual freedoms than would be considered acceptable in most Western countries”, adds Poland. “Commitment to the greater good is engrained in the culture; there is not the hyper-individualism that characterises parts of the USA, and has driven most of the resistance to the countermeasures against the coronavirus.” Poland noted that the Chinese accept the notion that disease control is a matter of science. “China does not have the kind of raucous anti-vaccine, anti-science movement that is trying to derail the fight against COVID-19 in the USA”, he said.
so this is the complete opposite of what happened during the 19th to early 20th century, talking about going backward. the western world that invented science is being anti-science. what a world we're living in.
Just think of the different thoughts on Covid in Asian places allied with the US. Japan, S Korea, Israel, Taiwan and others. The people may have the same thoughts as western public health experts but may be too different from the thoughts of many non experts in the west.
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