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The US and Native Americans, Canada and First Nations people, Australia and Aboriginees, New Zealand and Maoris, Japan and the Ainu, and England, France, Portugal, Spain, Holland and many other countries and the people of the places they colonized. The history of all of these nations in relation to their indigenous people is shameful.
Does this excuse Israel acting shamefully in the same way in recent decades and in 2023? NO AND NO AND NO AND NO AND NO NO NO!!!
We all do and should know better now. Things have been getting better for Native Americans since the 1960s, although we know now that complete redress and healing is not possible because of the extensive harm that was done in the past.
So we KNOW that what Israel has done and is doing to the native people of that region is shameful and inexcusable and will never, ever be completely healed.
No other nation in the world should support Israel now. Not a single one. No good people anywhere should support Israel now. Not a single one.
The US and Native Americans, Canada and First Nations people, Australia and Aboriginees, New Zealand and Maoris, Japan and the Ainu, and England, France, Portugal, Spain, Holland and many other countries and the people of the places they colonized. The history of all of these nations in relation to their indigenous people is shameful.
Does this excuse Israel acting shamefully in the same way in recent decades and in 2023? NO AND NO AND NO AND NO AND NO NO NO!!!
We all do and should know better now. Things have been getting better for Native Americans since the 1960s, although we know now that complete redress and healing is not possible because of the extensive harm that was done in the past.
So we KNOW that what Israel has done and is doing to the native people of that region is shameful and inexcusable and will never, ever be completely healed.
No other nation in the world should support Israel now. Not a single one. No good people anywhere should support Israel now. Not a single one.
If Palestinians never engaged in any act of terrorism and never wanted to kill all the Jews things would’ve gotten better for them too.
Besides Jews were native in the region in the beginning, not Palestinians.
The US and Native Americans, Canada and First Nations people, Australia and Aboriginees, New Zealand and Maoris, Japan and the Ainu, and England, France, Portugal, Spain, Holland and many other countries and the people of the places they colonized. The history of all of these nations in relation to their indigenous people is shameful.
That's only part of the story. There were many cases of wars, invasions, military attacks, etc between Native American civilizations. For example, when Columbus discovered the Caribbean islands he met the Taino. He noticed they had such a fear of the Caribs that they would tremble simply by hearing their name. Why? The Caribs would often raid their villages along the coast, kidnap village girls and women to another island where they were forced to become the wives of Carib men and, probably much worse, they practiced cannibalism especially with captured Tainos. It wasn't they simply kidnapped a kid to eat him. First they fed him in order to make him fat like a pig and then sacrificed. This is probably one of the more extremes since most Native American groups were not cannibals, but many were. In Mexico the success of the conquest of Hernan Cortez was the rivalry and downright hatred that existed between the Aztecs and several different tribes in the surrounding area. All the people sacrificed in the pyramids of the Aztecs? The leaders claimed it was a religious necessity, but none of the sacrificed were Aztecs but rather boys and men they captured as the Aztecs invaded and made war to nearby tribes.
Reality is more complicated than how it's often taught.
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Does this excuse Israel acting shamefully in the same way in recent decades and in 2023? NO AND NO AND NO AND NO AND NO NO NO!!!
Nothing excuses what Israel or Palestine are doing to each other, but human groups have been attacking each other for centuries and all over the world. Now is actually one of the few times that most of humanity is at peace. Think about that.
There are many towns built in colonial times in the Americas and in Medeival times in Europe. One of the things that define many of them is a wall that surrounded them and in many cases those walls were interrupted by fortresses. Those are not new towns by any stretch of the imaginations. Those walls and fortresses, actual gates/doors to enter or exit the city were not built solely to look majestic or pretty.
Until recently it was thought that countries no longer invaded a neighbor to get more land, resources, etc. Everyone (at least in the West) thought that, but then came Russia and the Ukraine. Old habits are not easy to break and this is actually a very old thing among humans. Some would say it's a human tradition.
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So we KNOW that what Israel has done and is doing to the native people of that region is shameful and inexcusable and will never, ever be completely healed.
From my understanding, the Jews were there before the Palestinians. Just look at the Bible, it doesn't mention the Palestinians anywhere but it sure does the Jews and even Israel. The Bible has been around for at least 2,000 years and the Torah is even older (much of the Old Testament in the Bible is parts of the Torah.) Basically, the basic difference between Jews and Christians is that Jews don't believe that their fellow Jewish guy named Jesus Christ was the messiah, while Christians started as nothing more than Jews that believe Jesus Christ is the messiah.
With that said, I don't think the Palestinians are going anywhere and neither are the Israeli. They should come to terms with that, accept that they are stuck with each other and learn to live in peace in the same land. If they can't be intermingled with each other, then separate but in equal terms and not one getting more privilege or a better lifestyle than the other. Otherwise, these differences will cause one to resent the other even if they are separated but on the same land. We now see how that is going.
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No other nation in the world should support Israel now.
I'm in favor of that, but not just Israel. Palestine shouldn't get help from other countries either. This goes for the other countries in the rest of the world.
The US and Native Americans, Canada and First Nations people, Australia and Aboriginees, New Zealand and Maoris, Japan and the Ainu, and England, France, Portugal, Spain, Holland and many other countries and the people of the places they colonized. The history of all of these nations in relation to their indigenous people is shameful.
Does this excuse Israel acting shamefully in the same way in recent decades and in 2023? NO AND NO AND NO AND NO AND NO NO NO!!!
We all do and should know better now. Things have been getting better for Native Americans since the 1960s, although we know now that complete redress and healing is not possible because of the extensive harm that was done in the past.
So we KNOW that what Israel has done and is doing to the native people of that region is shameful and inexcusable and will never, ever be completely healed.
No other nation in the world should support Israel now. Not a single one. No good people anywhere should support Israel now. Not a single one.
Wow, calm down. Are you one of those wacky college students praising Hamas?
You are losing your rational thought process. Let's simplify this - both sides are ingenious to that region. Both sides were offered a state by the United Nations. Side A (Palestinians) refused to recognize the other state and attacked, and continues to attack over the course of 70 years, developing into brutal tactics that includes the murder of women and children. The other side, side B (Israel), has no choice but to fight back and defend it's citizens.
Every nation in the world should support Israel's fight against these brutal terrorists, not the Palestinian people, but the terrorists that not only brutalize Jews, but it's own people.
There should be NO SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL from any decent human being anywhere EVER! NOT EVER EVER EVER!!!
If individuals want to send humanitarian aid to any and all of the civilians in the region who are being harmed, that is honorable, of course.
Israelis really need to come to terms with the fact that they have LOST the support of the majority of American citizens over this mass murder they are perpetrating. We do NOT approve of our current government's position.
Israelis really need to come to terms with the fact that they have LOST the support of the majority of American citizens over this mass murder they are perpetrating. We do NOT approve of our current government's position.
That would be incorrect. Does the act of capitalizing words as if you are yelling make it true?
Most Americans have sympathy for both the Israeli and Palestinian people, but sympathy for the Israelis is higher, and most support providing military aid and weapons to Israel....Americans are nearly twice as likely to feel "a lot" of sympathy for the Israeli people than the Palestinians.
There should be NO SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL from any decent human being anywhere EVER! NOT EVER EVER EVER!!!
If individuals want to send humanitarian aid to any and all of the civilians in the region who are being harmed, that is honorable, of course.
Israelis really need to come to terms with the fact that they have LOST the support of the majority of American citizens over this mass murder they are perpetrating. We do NOT approve of our current government's position.
NO! Absolutely there should be no support for Hamas/Hezbollah and anyone who supports the slogan of "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" meaning the destruction of the Democratic State of Israel!
Most Americans condemn the Hamas attack and they don't understand why Israel must continue with the ground invasion into Gaza to destroy the Hamas underground infrastructue.
Most Americans have sympathy for both the Israeli and Palestinian people, but sympathy for the Israelis is higher, and most support providing military aid and weapons to Israel....Americans are nearly twice as likely to feel "a lot" of sympathy for the Israeli people than the Palestinians.
Keep in mind many of the Israelis are Americans from birth and many grew up in the USA, many are dual citizens if the USA and Israel. The USA has a lot of Jews and, at least in my experience, most Jews have been to Israel or is in their must-visit-at-least-once-in-a-lifetime list.
I don't get the impression a similar situation exist with Americans and Palestinians.
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