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Thanks everybody for all the comments. Even if I disagreed with you, none of you were even remotely dumb. It's more of a respectful disagreement. I'm going to be gone for a few days.
Thanks everybody for all the comments. Even if I disagreed with you, none of you were even remotely dumb. It's more of a respectful disagreement. I'm going to be gone for a few days.
Excellent. Have a good time. It's been an interesting and useful thread. Your last posts touch on the idea that the rest of nature works by instinct and does what it needs to do to survive or uses the instinct it did to survive as a member of the cat -pack and a hunter, even if we now provide the food for it.
While a surprising number of pack animals have social instinctive behaviour that strikes us as surprisingly empathic and selfless, only humans seem to have reason and can work it out. Our morality of right and wrong does in a surprising way relate to survival as a species: not being anti -social, not ruining our environment. And evil is perhaps indulging our monkey -mischief instinct. To just suit ourselves and sod everyone else.
That also seems related to bads that until surprisingly recently were seen as the right way to live domestic violence and abuse of various kinds, bullying an intimidation in work, school and the armed forces, and of course dictators, their inner circle off thugs and the use off war.
So,while our reasoning is an amazing and unique ability I wonder whether it is anything other than a product of an evolved mind, full of instincts. Some say it is Something More, and it is perhaps the best argument of the theist, even better than First cause.
Some of the rules did, the laws (standard patterns) of nature.
Oh? Which of the checkers rules do you reference? Nature's law which holds you can only move one square at a time unless you are jumping another checker?
Thanks everybody for all the comments. Even if I disagreed with you, none of you were even remotely dumb. It's more of a respectful disagreement. I'm going to be gone for a few days.
So,while our reasoning is an amazing and unique ability I wonder whether it is anything other than a product of an evolved mind, full of instincts. Some say it is Something More, and it is perhaps the best argument of the theist, even better than First cause.
Yes, it might just be the best theist argument. But still another god of gaps argument in my mind.
There does seem to be a correlation between brain size and cognition. Perhaps linked to the amount of synapses one can support, which permit more complex association of thoughts and even more complex feelings, as a byproduct. We may be closer to filling that gap than we might think, so perhaps first cause will regain it's place atop the theist arguments soon enough.
Oh? Which of the checkers rules do you reference? Nature's law which holds you can only move one square at a time unless you are jumping another checker?
The example in that same post where a checker piece can't just stop following the laws of logic and nature. The facts that it wouldn't really be fun nor a good game without good rules and those who follow them.
"it takes two to decide what's fair" sort of axioms.
The example in that same post where a checker piece can't just stop following the laws of logic and nature. The facts that it wouldn't really be fun nor a good game without good rules and those who follow them.
"it takes two to decide what's fair" sort of axioms.
I asked you to cite a rule from checkers which supports the idea that such rules pre-existed the game. You have not done so. "it takes two to decide what's fair" isn't a checkers rule, is it?
Did the rules of checkers always exist before being discovered by humans?
Excellent question, and highly illuminating of right and wrong.
There are no universal rules of checkers. There are a number of variations on the game, and these variations have changed throughout history. These variations are based on shifting preferences and priorities.
Just like right and wrong.
They only exist as human constructs, and their construction varies depending on individual and group perceptions of utility over geography and time. Some find this dissatisfying, as they ache for right and wrong to be universal and objective. But personal desires have no bearing on reality.
Yes, it might just be the best theist argument. But still another god of gaps argument in my mind.
There does seem to be a correlation between brain size and cognition. Perhaps linked to the amount of synapses one can support, which permit more complex association of thoughts and even more complex feelings, as a byproduct. We may be closer to filling that gap than we might think, so perhaps first cause will regain it's place atop the theist arguments soon enough.
When we claim "something" it is not based on gaps. It is based only on what we do have. The standard model and PT to be exact. It's ok not to agree, but saying it's based on "gaps" is false.
Sometimes claiming "gaps' is an attempt to diminish "observation" just because. Like looking at a sun set and claiming, "nothing special, just another sun set. In a way, that is correct, but do I enjoy looking at just another object as we spin.
I asked you to cite a rule from checkers which supports the idea that such rules pre-existed the game. You have not done so. "it takes two to decide what's fair" isn't a checkers rule, is it?
You asked for a complete tangent from what I was talking about, of course most rules for checkers (specifically) are made-up, but they are made up based on a reality and certain set of facts (a game has to be back and forth, a game has to have a way to win, a game must follow laws of nature, a game must be entertaining, etc).
I was talking about "rules" in a wider sense.
A game has to be back and forth isn't a checkers rule, is it?
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